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CUPS runs fine in any Linux distro. Netatalk's PAP server needs patches to work with modern versions of CUPS among other fixes if you plan on using something other then the LaserWriter 8.x driver. Once it is working, its far easier to setup on the Mac side of things vs. LPR (which is now disabled out of the box on modern Linux distros).

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Today I received the AsanteTalk. After hacking together a PhoneNet Terminator, I connected it to my LAN and to the Mac SE/30. I already have the Pi running and connected elsewhere in the house.

 

I was immediately able to connect to the shared folder from the old Mac. I have not tried TCP/IP yet but with the file sharing I can now load MacTCP and anything else. Is there something in particular that I should load/try that will be the best test of this setup? SO FAR SO GOOD!

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Hit a snag with my SE/30. While loading and patching MacTCP and transferring some other utilities via MacIPpi, the screen started to shimmer and then flipped on black vertical bars! I have Jailhouse Mac unfortunately. This has nothing to do with the Pi software/localtalk setup. I recapped the logic board a couple weeks ago, but have been stricken with sound issues and now this. I only mention it here because I am prepping a new post in another forum seeking advice while I wait for desoldering alloy I ordered to arrive. I plan to remove, clean and reattach the ASC, but I have other problems with the video to diagnose now, so it may be a while before I can really put the Pi through some TCP bridging tests, as it is just too hard to read the dialog boxes for setting IP, gateway, dns, etc.

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Ok. I will be working on my beta. So take your time. If you want to use your Macintosh with TCP/IP do it like this:

 

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You set your Mac with MacTCP on f.i. 172.16.2.2 (anything between 172.16.2.2 and 254, subnet mask 255.255.255.0), as gateway 172.16.2.1 and DNS 8.8.8.8. Or do the same with a TCP/IP control panel, but then choose Connect via: AppleTalk (MacIP) and configure:Using MacIP manually. Same IP information.

 

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Thanks! I had JUST copied that same block instructions into a text file, went over to my workbench to setup MacTCP when the display flaked out on me. I am really looking forward to setting this up, but consider just the Pi bridging with file share a major win as I had no other way to move stuff to the SE! So, thanks for that much so far!

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So, I figured out a way to do something similar with Basilisk II, https://www.savagetaylor.com/2020/12/17/creating-an-internet-gateway-for-you-68k-macintosh-using-basilisk-ii-ara-ps-ipnetrouter-and-a-usb-serial-null-modem-cable/

Turns out Apple has software for "dialing in" to an apple talk network, that works fine with null-modem CLL files.   Once connected via apple talk, I could use TCP/IP over appleltalk and IPnetrouter to setup a gateway through basilisk II.

The benefit is Basilisk II becomes a node on my AppleTalk/LocalTalk network too for sharing files via AppleTalk.

 

I'm currently waiting on a copy of ARA version 3 server which added PPP support, so I'm hopping I can use MacPPP and skip the AppleTalk layer.

 

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4 hours ago, mactjaap said:

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Nice! I will have a closer look!

 

Did you test the MacIP.net Raspberry Pi solution? You can have this 24x7 in your network. Filesharing and alternative “FastPath” in one!

Not yet, I need to pick up a Raspberry Pi for this and to try RaSCSI.   I've found a copy of ARA 3.0 that supports PPP, just waiting for it to show up in the mail to see what it can do.   I'd seen the HTTP mount extension, will see what I can do with it.  Will need to do some speed tests on different options at some point.

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Just used MacIPpi to update a Powerbook 5300cs from 7.5.2 to 8.6. The install ran entirely over LocalTalk, through an AsanteTalk bridge using the MacIP disk on the raspberry pi where I put the installer files copied from my MacOS 8.5 CD using a modern mac on ethernet. It was slow, but worked perfectly. 

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I'm really new to vintage Macintosh, and I'm wondering if I could get it work with these scheme as attached. I really have no idea about connecting the cables, and couldn't find anything on the web related to Macintosh Classic network peripherals with macippi.

 

My plan of setup as following:

- Macintosh Classic

- Apple LocalTalk RJ-11 Connector DIN-8
- Ethernet to RJ11 adapter
- Ethernet to ethernet cable
- Orange Pi One with USB WiFi Adapter

- Wireless Router

 

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20 hours ago, fatlobster said:

I'm really new to vintage Macintosh, and I'm wondering if I could get it work with these scheme as attached. I really have no idea about connecting the cables, and couldn't find anything on the web related to Macintosh Classic network peripherals with macippi.

 

My plan of setup as following:

- Macintosh Classic

- Apple LocalTalk RJ-11 Connector DIN-8
- Ethernet to RJ11 adapter
- Ethernet to ethernet cable
- Orange Pi One with USB WiFi Adapter

- Wireless Router

 

 

 

The "Ethernet to RJ11 adapter" has to be done with hardware because you are bridging two different network technologies and protocols.  Unfortunately it's not as simple as just finding the right wiring adapter.  

 

Looking over the site, here is what the author suggests:

https://www.macip.net/macippi/

"Just connect your old Macintosh with a normal LocalTalk bridge, like an Asante AsanteTalk or a Dayna Etherprint"

 

 

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20 hours ago, badCaps said:

 

The "Ethernet to RJ11 adapter" has to be done with hardware because you are bridging two different network technologies and protocols.  Unfortunately it's not as simple as just finding the right wiring adapter.  

 

Looking over the site, here is what the author suggests:

https://www.macip.net/macippi/

"Just connect your old Macintosh with a normal LocalTalk bridge, like an Asante AsanteTalk or a Dayna Etherprint"

 

 

You are perfectly right, it wouldn't be as that simple as I thought. It's challenging to find affordable LocalTalk bridge, as it would cost more than the Macintosh itself. Maybe I'll just wait until someone create something like Floppy Emu but LocalTalk bridge version.

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19 hours ago, fatlobster said:

You are perfectly right, it wouldn't be as that simple as I thought. It's challenging to find affordable LocalTalk bridge, as it would cost more than the Macintosh itself. Maybe I'll just wait until someone create something like Floppy Emu but LocalTalk bridge version.

 

I bought an AsanteTalk recently for like $40 shipped on ebay.  So reasonably priced hardware is out there you just may have to wait a while and/or be diligent about your searches.  Good luck!

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