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The CC maybe "gimped" but I always enjyed it.  A little updated style with color.  Of course the CC2 should have been released instead and that would have made it much better.  Lots of things here a=have showed with 640x480 and a 040 motherboard would made it a beast new with very little changes from Apple.

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When I had them in the 1990s, I liked the Color Classics. But there was one thing I hate about them - their handles are too small for my big hands so I ended up carrying them with both hands by the bottom. My hands will barely fit into a 128K - classic II's handle recess and I can carry it that way, but not a Color Classic.

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SE in any of its iterations, mine was first rev. SE/20. Addition of ADB/HDD/PDS hit the Compact Trifecta. The Classic was a definite step down.

 

"Compact" = 68000 to me, so the SE/30's not really a Compact in my book. Architecturally it's more like a badly gimped IIcx with a crappy monitor built in, should have been grayscale. I see it as a step backwards from the Mac II line more than an upgrade/advancement of the Compact series' architecture.

 

 

p.s. the CC's not "Compact" at all, way too big. ::)

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Gotta be an SE/30 for me. The SE/30 is nicely expandable, in terms of memory and peripherals. Rubbishy capacitors let the machine down a bit, but once they're replaced it's hard to beat. 

 

At the time these machines were new - there was no way I could justify the price of any Mac. In my very humble opinion they were always vastly over-priced for what you got. Windows was pretty poor at v3.1 but it was affordable, and compatible. I just remember classrooms full of Mac IIs and Compacts at both my A-level College and University with no-one using them; everyone gravitated towards Windows for some reason. I'd guess something to do with software support. I remember cheap software being sparse on the mac platform for a while and I think that pushed a lot of students over to the PC platform. 

 

I use my SE/30 a fair bit; often as a terminal for something else as the keyboard's pretty good (Apple Keyboard II), and now I've re-soldered some of the analog bits the screen is pretty good.

 

I'd love a colour classic though. Sigh.

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SE/30 was and is the bomb.... I never got into the SE.... It just (without accelerators) was never fast enough for me.. I never cared for it.. When I was in school we had a computer lab with mixed machines... I always tried to beat everyone else to class to the seat with and SE/30... Sucked when I got stuck with a Plus!!!

 

The Classic made no sense to me... it was like going backwards.... I mean WTF.. but Classic II wasn't too bad.. but you could only get so much RAM in it..

 

Apple cut costs sometimes just to sell them.. and by doing that downgraded machines into jokes.... I honestly don't have one 128K which was the worst machine... It was basically a demo box... not a computer... I don't even collect them because I feel they are a joke. I have Lisa's which can offer more than some of these other's can...  

 

But to answer the question.... SE/30 FOREVER! (bad caps replaced an all!)

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SE/30 was and is the bomb....

and very expensive

 

Sucked when I got stuck with a Plus!!!

still tons better then a lisa.

 

The Classic made no sense to me

it was cheap... times were a changing ... Remember?  

 

 

Classic II wasn't too bad..

it was affordable!  and 8-10 megs of ram is a lot... plenty...  especially fro back then.

It has Sound In and Sound out.   Was a very great feature of the era.

 

128K which was the worst machine... It was basically a demo box... not a computer...

I think the 128k was much more useful then a LISA.  The Mac Os is really good.

and the 128k was less then 1/4 what the lisa was.

 

I have Lisa's

 

I think LISA is a joke... Completely useless and have no desire what so ever to own one.

a 128k is 100% more useful... 100% more energy efficient...  100% more reliable...  and 50% faster.

 

Back when Sun Remarketing was offering the LISA for the same price as the 512k

Even then you would have been better off getting the 512k... then ate last it would have been a real mac... not a Hacintosh.

They had to hack the Mac OS to work on LISA because otherwise she was not even slightly marketable...  i guess that is why

they dumped all those lisa's in the land fill after all.  Worthless.. and not even a real mac.   :)  haha.

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To each his own Uni.... lol!!! We all have opinions... Just giving you mine... :p And I really hated the Plus.... just a personal vendetta.... I can remember the awful smell of the room from the cooking analog/power supply boards... oh that smell... The LWII ozone smell was much better... lol!!!!! And the Classic and Classic II have their own leaky cap issues...... Still SE/30 is my top favorite!

 

You can put an 18mhz accelerator in a Lisa... (I wouldn't myself), throw in scsi cards, CF Flash card... multiple serial ports, parallel ports... run Lisa OS, Mac OS (emulated), Xenix.. larger screen.... and on the 128k????

 

I am not saying the Lisa is the best... just throwing out a few differences...

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LOL!!!!! :) It's all good... They all have their own issues... I think Elfen knew he was going to rile a few people up with this topic!!! Haaaa.... I think that was his point!!! 

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I think Elfen knew he was going to rile a few people up with this topic!!! Haaaa.... I think that was his point!!! 

 

Oh Shit! I've been caught! Run!!! Hide!!!

 

And onward to the next forum member and his love/hate for the classic Mac!!!

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lol Elfen! :) well as I've just brought an SE/30 it must be the best because I choose it even with the leaky caps! :)

 

BTW chaps I've just acquired a newton, my sister found it in her draw and believe it or not it was actually used by HP to push printer repair jobs to the engineers back in the 1990-2000.  so I'll link it up my SE/30 once its up and running. 

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The color classic is still compact, it fits in the same carry bags as the SE.  I love the little buddy.  It has always been an adventure and a joy to play with.

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Now to me... Ha!


 


In the past I have owned every compact Mac expect for the Color Classic II. Many of them were modified or expanded upon and some of those I wish I still had. Like my old SE\20 - a Mac SE with an '020 Accelerator; and those Mac 128Ks/512Kes with the 2MB/SCSI Dove Boards (and the occasional ROM upgrades) in them. They were great machines in their day and still would be useful to this day if they were still around.


 


Currently I own a Mac Plus, Mac SE\30 and Mac Classic II. Currently they are shelved while I pay attention to my other Mac Projects, but of them all, I love the SE\30 the most. The Classic leave me wanting or more for some reason though it is an excellent little machine. And the Mac Plus has saved a few Old Mac Owners out there in Cyberspace as I used it to make 400/800K System Disks with it for them; alas it's 10MB external Hard Drive died long ago. I may have a couple more in storage but I need to look some more.


 


At most I have the SE\30 with 32megs of RAM and used it as a Web/Internet server for the community center I ran years ago. It also had had a shit load of games and programs; basically everything I did on my IIcx at home I did with the SE\30 at work except for color processing. And carrying work between the two machines on my trusty Duo 210 was great - either by floppy disk or for really big files Apple Talk!


 


The Plus was also from my community center days. To elaborate, I created the first Free Access Community Computer Center in NYC back in the 80s. (I also assisted in the creation of the first Public Access Computer Center in NYC but it was not free - people had to pay for its access.) With Dr. Levison, we found a Scrap Metal turned Computer Recycling Center in Kearny, NJ and made friends with its founder Eric Burchiel. He gave us old Macs as he could not sell them as well as the recycled PCs. The Macs he gave me I upgraded a couple of schools and the community centers I worked with. With the broken ones I used to teach teens how to do Mac repairs and upgrades and those who passed my final test - bringing a "dead" Mac to life got a tool kit and that mac they fixed in the final exam. A few companies began to hear of my work and supported me and my teens by hiring them to work for them over the summers; where most teens went through the NYC's Summer Youth Employment program and worked for minimum wage - my teens were getting $12+ for their jobs!


 


But the Plus and SE\30 had their analog boards recapped and the "usual suspects" replaced in the late 90s. It's the SE/30 logic board that did not survive the ravages of age and time but thanks to CompuNerd selling me a "new" SE\30 logic board, it's back among the living! So these two machines mean a bit more to me because they were there since the beginning.


 


The Classic II I found in the trash last summer with simasi'd screen. In seeing the videos and the posts here, I gave it a recap and brought it back to life though it has no sound. It has 10megs of RAM and a very bloated System 7. It needs some trimming down before I get to use it more seriously. However it is a great machine. I just don't like its 10meg limit as some programs I have requires 16megs. Just have to work around it I guess.


 


Though I do not have it, the Color Classic was great when I had them (2). Things at the community center were bad that I bought my on printer and copier from Eric at his computer recycling center as the administration of the center had the programs like mine pay for everything - including making copies at the copy room. (you should have seen the look on that a-hole executive director's face when he sent a bill for copies and I showed him my desktop canon copier and Apple Laser Printer in my office! LMAO!!!) One of the two CC's were on my desk and the other was on my 'secretary's' desk, and worked with the computer lab I created and ran by phone-net on the other side of the building. That ED wanted the place to be filled with PCs but being in the northern-area of an artist community, people requested Macs; but even the PCs the place had I got from the computer recycling center! Those were fun days.


 


But are there favorites? Not really though it leans more towards the SE\30 than to the Plus. There were niches to fill and these Macs filled them perfectly!


 


Because of politics and personal BS with the ED, I was "let go" with 30 days notice. So I did what I could - pack up my things and leave, including the lab of PCs and Macs. They were mine, they were given to me and a few I bought with my own cash. The ED tried to have me arrested but hen I showed receipts and matched serial numbers, the cops tried to arrest her; damn rabid female dog nearly had a stroke that day! So before I came in they had nothing and when they forced me out, they ended up with nothing. They also lost over $1.2M in funding grants and donations that I brought in for the program that the center kept taking for themselves. If they would have been nice, they would have gotten $5M, but instead they tried to kill the goose that lays the golden eggs and you know how that goes.


 


As, as is, for me it is the SE\30, then the Plus (with a working hard drive) and a Classic II because that is what I currently own.


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I'd have to go with the SE/30 as well, the ability to run AUX was cool, and the the memory limit of 128MB was unheard of in those days. A Mystic CC would be second due to its speed and uniqueness. I have both, and still use them-- Have them networked on Ethernet  and sharing a Laserwriter 4/600 with the Laserwriter Bridge.

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In those days 8meg's was the ram limit for the se/30 until MODE 32 was out there.... wasn't even available till darn near 1992 for free you could have paid 169.00 for it sometime in 1991 direct from the sw vendor though.  

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In those days 8meg's was the ram limit for the se/30 until MODE 32 was out there.... wasn't even available till darn near 1992 for free you could have paid 169.00 for it sometime in 1991 direct from the sw vendor though.  

 

True, forgot about that. When I got my first SE/30, Mode 32 was out. Compared to 640K plus 384 extended on a DOS PC, even 8MB was a lot...

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My turn! :)

 

I never had any experiences with compact Macs until August 2005 with my SE/30. I've subsequently played with 512k's, Pluses, SE's, and even a 128k, Classic and Classic II, and the SE/30 is probably by far the most capable of the bunch, although I think the 128k is really neat, if only for its historical significance.

 

The capacitors are a problem, but truthfully, they'll be a problem with anything that old. And each other model has it's own issues (the analog board from the 128/512/Plus, for instance, is seriously under powered and is therefore very prone to failure, even when new), so I don't count them as an inherit flaw in the SE/30's design. That being said, the TWO things that are annoying are the fact that it wasn't 32-bit clean from the factory, and it doesn't have an improved display (it's identical to the SE's design, which is basically a somewhat improved version of the 128/512/Plus A/B with a modular PSU). If the display could do color (or even grayscale), it would've improved it's value considerably.

 

That being said, it has lots of potential, with its somewhat slow, but nonetheless better-than-a-68000 16 MHz 68030 (every other compact except the Classic II had an 8 MHz 68000) and a RAM ceiling of 128 MB (the 128 and 512 are stuck with their respective 128KB and 512KB of RAM, the Plus, SE and Classic had a ceiling of 4 MB, and the Classic II could take 10 MB).

 

So, I guess I have to say that based on these metrics, the SE/30, in my opinion, is the best Compact Mac.

 

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When I graduated high school in 1995 (yeah, yeah, “Get off my lawn!” etc.), my parents bought me my very own computer as a reward. I chose an nth-hand SE/30 from the far side of the region… being an ignorant and overeager teen I overpaid, but not horribly so. It was awesome! It did everything I wanted it to with the trivial exception of displaying colours, and the accompanying ImageWriter II I later scrounged up from somewhere was quite entertaining to watch as the momentum of its relatively heavy print carriage reversing direction threatened to topple over whatever insufficiently massive piece of furniture I had it perched atop at any given moment. I was quite annoyed when, around autumn 1997, the University upgraded their modem banks to 56k and dropped support for my perfectly serviceable 2400 baud modem, though. (Hey, it “just worked” without my needing to write a custom modem initialization script! DON’T JUDGE ME muttergrumble) Alas, all good things must come to an end. Not long after that, probably by 1999 or so, I had powered the thing on one morning and ducked briefly across the hall to do some trivial thing while it finished booting. When I got back, mind elsewhere, it took me a minute or two to notice that the screen was still unpowered and I couldn’t hear the bulky, aftermarket 80 MiB hard drive spinning. There was an odd noise, though… kind of a crackling noise, a bit like an… electrical… arc…

 

“…Oh, crap!” I dove for the off switch and got the case open as quickly as practical, though I didn’t immediately notice anything out of place. Firing it up with the bucket still off revealed a thick rope of lightning connecting the CRT neck to some out-of-sight trace on the analogue board two or three inches away, which proved once the power had been removed again to have melted a wide, twisty tunnel through the insulating wax over the CRT neck coils. I was told at the time by one of the few Mac shops in town that everything in the case had probably been destroyed, with that kind of voltage flying around in there. A very knowledgeable acquaintance has recently disputed that claim, but alas, that poor old machine was recycled over 15 years ago, so we will most likely never find out.

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I have an SE/30 and a Classic II. I have been very happy with my (recapped) SE/30 and consider it the best of the two, but dammit if this thread didn't make me want to get an SE as well.  So I bought one of someone local and I'm off to pick one up after work today. $50 got me a running SE 1/20, Apple Extended keyboard, mouse, external floppy, and a spare SE FDHD motherboard. I think I will swap the FDHD motherboard into the SE so I can use the 1.4 Mb disk images on Floppy Emu.

 

I'll weigh back in later on which I think is best. The bomb-proofness of the SE motherboard and the fact that it can use HD20 are two definite pluses over the SE/30. Lack of HD20 support is a pretty big shortcoming with the SE/30, as it sure is handy for moving stuff around with the Floppy Emu.

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Is the question, 'what is the best compact now?' or 'what was the best compact mac then?'?

And why aren't the iMacs included? The DV iMacs were very impressive beasts in their day.

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I don't have an answer, but rather a question...

I could have sworn the SE was the least popular Compact Mac, but from what I can tell it seems to be the most popular? Was I wrong? If so, how the heck did I think that in the first place?

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