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Sourcing 3.5" 50 PIN SCSI SSD
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I would suggest that as far as possible you try formatting the drive with native MacOS tools rather than emulators and Linux compatibility tools. I have no idea if this will make a difference or not, but it is one layer of complication to remove. Do you have *any* other Macs you can try, preferably one with native IDE or USB?
I couldn't quite tell from your post if you partitioned it or formatted it normally. I seem to recall that older Macs can't see HDDs if they have a GUID partition. It has to be formatted normally. I'd recommend connecting it to a slightly newer Mac and erase it with a Mac Disk formatting program as Bunsen suggested.
Zebity,
As you know, I am also trying to do a similar thing in my SE/30. I have tried to use the external SCSI adapter without success. My next route is to use an internal SCSI cable that allows me to mount 2 internal drives so that I can format and transfer files from a known good and bootable drive onto a new CF-IDE-SCSI SSD.
Hopefully this will allow me to sneaker net to my SE/30s!
As you know, I am also trying to do a similar thing in my SE/30. I have tried to use the external SCSI adapter without success. My next route is to use an internal SCSI cable that allows me to mount 2 internal drives so that I can format and transfer files from a known good and bootable drive onto a new CF-IDE-SCSI SSD.
Hopefully this will allow me to sneaker net to my SE/30s!
Duxbride, olePigeon, Bunsen & others,
well it seems that I am the ginea pig on this one...
I have not also tried to use the ACARD SATA box solution with my "Mystic Colour Classic" (this has Performa 575 system board installed), using an external SCSI adaptor.
I had not previously tried the ACARD solution in the "Mystic" as getting access to the internal HD is not a simple task and so I wanted to wait until I had a external case to test with.
Drum Roll....
It does not come up... giving the same Error as with the SE/30.
My testing included using: SCSI Probe 3.5, Lido 7.5, Apples Standard HD Setup and U/AX version... none work.
So I think we can put this one to bed.... unfortunately this rather expensive option does not work!!
Here is the final email I got from ACARD on this:
Dear XXXX,
So the problem is between Mac's NCR SCSI host controller and
ARS-2000SUP, unfortunately, we don't have NCR SCSI host to check that
problem you have, is possible to get other SCSI host (such as ACARD
AEC-6712TUM/AEC-6712WM) for your ARS-2000SUP+SATA device?
Here is product information:
AEC-6712TUM
http://www.acard.com/english/fb01-product.jsp?prod_no=AEC-6712TUM&type1_title=Adapters&idno_no=120
AEC-6712WM
http://www.acard.com/english/fb01-product.jsp?prod_no=AEC-6712WM&type1_title=Adapters&idno_no=119
Best regards,
Jack Lin / FAE
ACARD Technology Corp.
TEL: 886-2-8512-2290
FAX: 886-2-8512-2548
6F., No.78, Sec. 1, Guangfu Rd.,
Sanchong Dist., New Taipei City, Taiwan (R.O.C.)
So even though the advertise this device as being Mac compatible, they have not tested against the NCR SCSI device (the Mac SE/30 uses NCR SCSI chip) that Mac uses.
I was pretty annoyed that they suggested I purchase more stuff, rather than offering a full refund on the device.
It seems that the SCSI/PCMCIA reader/writer option might be the better way to get a flash larger capacity SCSI disk for old Mac up and running. I also contact ARTMIX and he does not have any AZTEC Monster II SCSI/Compact Flash controllers available at the moment.
Cheers,
Zebity
(SE/30, Colour Classic (Mystic), Mac Pro, Mac mini(s) and MacBook Pro)
well it seems that I am the ginea pig on this one...
I have not also tried to use the ACARD SATA box solution with my "Mystic Colour Classic" (this has Performa 575 system board installed), using an external SCSI adaptor.
I had not previously tried the ACARD solution in the "Mystic" as getting access to the internal HD is not a simple task and so I wanted to wait until I had a external case to test with.
Drum Roll....
It does not come up... giving the same Error as with the SE/30.
My testing included using: SCSI Probe 3.5, Lido 7.5, Apples Standard HD Setup and U/AX version... none work.
So I think we can put this one to bed.... unfortunately this rather expensive option does not work!!
Here is the final email I got from ACARD on this:
Dear XXXX,
So the problem is between Mac's NCR SCSI host controller and
ARS-2000SUP, unfortunately, we don't have NCR SCSI host to check that
problem you have, is possible to get other SCSI host (such as ACARD
AEC-6712TUM/AEC-6712WM) for your ARS-2000SUP+SATA device?
Here is product information:
AEC-6712TUM
http://www.acard.com/english/fb01-product.jsp?prod_no=AEC-6712TUM&type1_title=Adapters&idno_no=120
AEC-6712WM
http://www.acard.com/english/fb01-product.jsp?prod_no=AEC-6712WM&type1_title=Adapters&idno_no=119
Best regards,
Jack Lin / FAE
ACARD Technology Corp.
TEL: 886-2-8512-2290
FAX: 886-2-8512-2548
6F., No.78, Sec. 1, Guangfu Rd.,
Sanchong Dist., New Taipei City, Taiwan (R.O.C.)
So even though the advertise this device as being Mac compatible, they have not tested against the NCR SCSI device (the Mac SE/30 uses NCR SCSI chip) that Mac uses.
I was pretty annoyed that they suggested I purchase more stuff, rather than offering a full refund on the device.
It seems that the SCSI/PCMCIA reader/writer option might be the better way to get a flash larger capacity SCSI disk for old Mac up and running. I also contact ARTMIX and he does not have any AZTEC Monster II SCSI/Compact Flash controllers available at the moment.
Cheers,
Zebity
(SE/30, Colour Classic (Mystic), Mac Pro, Mac mini(s) and MacBook Pro)
I do agree that SCSI compatibility should be universal, but, especially with first generation SCSI-2 devices, like the 53c94, it definitely is not.
As annoying as the failure is, it would be asking a lot to expect Acard to test with an SE/30.
However, it is annoying that they didn't offer a return or exchange. You might want to take that up with the reseller that you bought the adapter from.
As a side note, I have an Acard ARS-2160H, and I'll try that with several of my 68k Macs (IIx, IIci, Quadra 605).
- Alex
As annoying as the failure is, it would be asking a lot to expect Acard to test with an SE/30.
However, it is annoying that they didn't offer a return or exchange. You might want to take that up with the reseller that you bought the adapter from.
As a side note, I have an Acard ARS-2160H, and I'll try that with several of my 68k Macs (IIx, IIci, Quadra 605).
- Alex
I've used the AEC-7720U in a Mac IIci and that works fine. The IIci is also using the 53c80 (53C94/96 came later) like the SE/30. So, unless Acard changed how the adapter works considerably when they designed the SATA version, I think it should be possible to get your adapter to work.
That said, I don't know what you should try.
That said, I don't know what you should try.
Since you're in contact with Acard, ask them for the firmware for the ARS-2000SU instead of the ARS-2000SUP. I couldn't get the adapter to boot (although it'd work if I booted from another drive) with the SUP firmware, and it worked with my SE/30 and is working without any problems in my Quadra 605 with a 60 gig SSD:
Someone is advertising this SE/30 on eBay.
He says the SSD is a SATA > SCSI adapter with a 1GB Adtron SSD. Apparently Adtron makes military/industrial grade stuff.
The lowest they make now is double-digit GBs, and they're not cheap either.
Maybe this?
He says the SSD is a SATA > SCSI adapter with a 1GB Adtron SSD. Apparently Adtron makes military/industrial grade stuff.
The lowest they make now is double-digit GBs, and they're not cheap either.
Maybe this?
Hi Johnkls and Duxbridge & Co,
many thanks for additional suggestions and tips, I had given up on this one as a lost cause.
Based on feedback I "down graded" the ARS--2000SUP firmware.
First I tried the earliest firmware release available on the ACARD web site (Version: 1.06P)
This required me to pull out old PC again and play around setting up Bart PE Windows Boot CD
Results on" "Mystic" Colour Classic
ARS-2000SUP (with Firmware 1.06P) with Seagate Momentus 320GB 2.5 inch SATA disk
I was able to now successfully use: SCSI Probe, Apple HD SC Setup 3.1 AUX & Lido to communicate to the HD, though non of them could initialise the disk correctly
I then dug up a version of FWB Hard Disk Toolkit(version 1.6 Personal Edition) and successfully partitioned and created a HFS disk (maximum allowed capacity) and formatted the 2.5 inch SATA HD.
I then copied OS to the new disk and it booted up ok.
So ARS-2000SUP works with older firmware.
Next I installed OCZ Agility 3 60 GB SSD into adaptor.
ARS-2000SUP (with Firmware 1.06P) with OCZ Agility 3 60GB SSD 2.5 inch SATA disk
Using FWB Hard Disk Toolkit the partition of the SSD disk failed.
Next I then upgraded firmware to 1.14P has it appeared that 1.06P would not work with SSD
ARS-2000SUP (with Firmware 1.14P) with OCS Agility 3 60GB 2.5 inch SATA disk
Using FWB Hard Disk Toolkit I was able to partition the HD and create 3 HFS drives each with maximum allowed capacity (4GB approx).
I was then able to copy my 250MB SCSI HD contents onto drive and boot up from it.
So now happy to report that ARS-2000SUP is working with the 1.14P firmware. It appears that 1.15P firmware introduces a bug that make device incompatible with old Macs.
I have reporting the problem back to ACARD and the fix.
May thank to Johnklos and Duxbridge for help.
Cheers,
Zebity
(SE/30, Colour Classic (Mystic), Mac Pro, Mac mini(s) and MacBook Pro)
many thanks for additional suggestions and tips, I had given up on this one as a lost cause.
Based on feedback I "down graded" the ARS--2000SUP firmware.
First I tried the earliest firmware release available on the ACARD web site (Version: 1.06P)
This required me to pull out old PC again and play around setting up Bart PE Windows Boot CD
Results on" "Mystic" Colour Classic
ARS-2000SUP (with Firmware 1.06P) with Seagate Momentus 320GB 2.5 inch SATA disk
I was able to now successfully use: SCSI Probe, Apple HD SC Setup 3.1 AUX & Lido to communicate to the HD, though non of them could initialise the disk correctly
I then dug up a version of FWB Hard Disk Toolkit(version 1.6 Personal Edition) and successfully partitioned and created a HFS disk (maximum allowed capacity) and formatted the 2.5 inch SATA HD.
I then copied OS to the new disk and it booted up ok.
So ARS-2000SUP works with older firmware.
Next I installed OCZ Agility 3 60 GB SSD into adaptor.
ARS-2000SUP (with Firmware 1.06P) with OCZ Agility 3 60GB SSD 2.5 inch SATA disk
Using FWB Hard Disk Toolkit the partition of the SSD disk failed.
Next I then upgraded firmware to 1.14P has it appeared that 1.06P would not work with SSD
ARS-2000SUP (with Firmware 1.14P) with OCS Agility 3 60GB 2.5 inch SATA disk
Using FWB Hard Disk Toolkit I was able to partition the HD and create 3 HFS drives each with maximum allowed capacity (4GB approx).
I was then able to copy my 250MB SCSI HD contents onto drive and boot up from it.
So now happy to report that ARS-2000SUP is working with the 1.14P firmware. It appears that 1.15P firmware introduces a bug that make device incompatible with old Macs.
I have reporting the problem back to ACARD and the fix.
May thank to Johnklos and Duxbridge for help.
Cheers,
Zebity
(SE/30, Colour Classic (Mystic), Mac Pro, Mac mini(s) and MacBook Pro)
