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PB 1400c Speed Issues

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My 1400c, which is my second-fastest Mac, fells just plain sluggish. My Performa 6300Cd, an older, slower machine running the less optimized Mac OS 7.5.5, feels quite peppy in comparison. And it even loads more extensions on startup! I heard that the 1400c has particularly slow I/O; is this the reason?

 
The basic 1400 is indeed sluggish.

Good place to have ram doubler,speed doubler etc...

Besides the obvious.... max out the physical ram, which is still precious little ram!!

RP

 
The 1400 has a slower bus then the 6300 and, depending on the model of CPU you have, also has L2 cache which can make a big difference.

I know that the 1400 is the last Nubus based logic board Apple made. Perhaps that has something to do with it as well.

It could also be an indication to find another hard drive. I found the original drives to be slow and installing even a newer 2GB model or better can significantly improve performance.

 
16MB of RAM, OS 8.1.
Well, there's your first problem. 16MB of RAM is barely enough to run 7.6 and any apps, let alone 8.1. Do you have Virtual Memory switched on? That will slow you down a lot, and the less real RAM you have the worse it is. Do you know how VM works?

I would suggest downgrading to 7.6.1, or trimming the amount of RAM 8.1 uses as follows: Get hold of a copy of InformINIT (OS 8 version or newer) and start ruthlessly slashing your system startup items, using either the Extensions Manager or (better) a copy of Symbionts or Conflict Catcher. Once you've done that, set VM to the lowest allowed in the control panel (8k or 32k IIRC) but leave it activated - this is supposed to improve memory management.

In short, you need either more physical RAM or an OS downgrade. You could also try the old Compact Flash/PCMCIA VM trick if you have trouble sourcing any larger RAM sticks for that model (which we all do these days) but that won't be as fast as real RAM.

You didn't mention the size or anything else about the HD. Putting in a newer, faster one will help, but your first issue here is really the RAM. And that the 1400 is just a slow architecture overall. The 166MHz CPU is the fastest module for these machines, unless you luck into one of the third party upgrades (180MHz 603 to 500MHz G3). Maybe you can get lucky and find a beater on eBay with more RAM which you can swap in, or stack if there's a slot available. Everything in the 1400-series machines bar the CPU module and the LCD is identical, so it's handy to have a spare.

 
No-one's cracked that on the 1400s as far as I know. You really need to take care of the basics before you start dreaming about whipping out the soldering iron.

 
It's the 166mhz model, 16MB of RAM, OS 8.1.

You may be right about the heard drive.
Soon it will be 64MB when you get the package! 8.1 will run like a Dream then. From experience, I would not suggest anything higher than 8.6 with 64MB RAM.

 
64MB now installed! Application performance is quite peppy now - even IE 5 runs above satisfactorily.

Startup however is still sluggish.

 
Everything in the 1400-series machines bar the CPU module and the LCD is identical, so it's handy to have a spare.
Not quite - the early 1400s had a slightly different motherboard too. The logic boards in the very first 1400s could only take a genuine Apple CPU module up to 133 Mhz - the 166 Mhz modules only work in the 1400/166 and I think the 1400/133 (and possibly later 1400/117's). However, third party CPU upgrades (including all G3 upgrades) will work in any 1400.

I know that most people are going for G3 upgrades these days (I certainly would if I could find one that I could afford), but still...might be handy to know for anyone who's looking to use a 166 Mhz module in a 1400.

 
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