I want to do this...

[Bunsen]

Where the Nubus adapter would lie is another question.

Um. Let alone any actual Nubus cards.

I mean, don't get me wrong: I fully endorse and encourage such madness. Thing is, even with an LCD and mounting everything vertically, you won't get a full-length 12" Nubus card into a classic-boxmac shell.

Now, there are plenty of useful 7" Nubus cards ... but given the preference for a CRT, and everything -else- you want to squeeze in there, I'm ahhh let's say, a little doubtful?

Nevertheless, good luck!

 

[MinerAl]

Reading back through the thread, I saw that I misspoke: I am committed to a CRT not an LCD for this idea. I'm looking now for 9" tube monochrome svga monitors to hack into this.

We'll see if this ever gets past the collecting-the-parts stage. That's where a lot of my projects die.

 

[beachycove]

In fact, on closer inspection (took apart the screen), it seems that the 280c LCD would not fit without being a trifle off-centre. It would need to be about 3/8" or even 1/2" shifted to the right because of the location of circuitry and metal casing on the panel at the left. And that is allowing for the cutting away of plastics on the Classic front bezel's interior.

That for me probably means that my proposed hack is not going to be done, since I would end up destroying a machine for one that would not look exactly right. But I will ponder some more. I think I have a failed lcd panel to take apart in order to see if it is possible that any of the stuff in the way could be relocated just a smidgeon in order to allow for the panel to be properly centred.

Then it'd be Nubus in a Compact shell or bust!

Trash -- does a Duo output video to its LCD panel when running in a full Dock?

 

[Trash80toHP_Mini]

Well, you can see how this one won't workdue to size, but that's the least of the problems . . .

I've been flipping these cards about in my noggin' for quite some time, but I never did it IRL until today . . .



. . . the Duo and DuoDock would have to be stacked like so . . .

. . . the Docking Connector pins are all generally aligned solder to solder perfectly row by row . . .

. . . but shifted side to side a bit, one having the the even rows indented, the other the odd rows indented . . .



I was pleasantly surprised to find that the 2300c MoBo can be sandwiched between the solder sides of the Dock's Logic board and the nearest of the two NuBus Cards. I wasn't expecting that, but I'd be very careful trying to implement it in that configuration.

These shots just show the Duo Sandwich from lower and lower angles.





The only really important thing about this hack, other than getting the LCD to fit . . .

. . . is that little white LCD connector and its proximity to a 2300c LCD that's pointed in the correct direction, at the correct distance from the assembly.

The LCD Cable is the most un-hackable thing of all! :-/

 

[Trash80toHP_Mini]

Yep, but you have to disable the Declaration ROM in the Dock, which leaves you with NuBus, ADB and not a lot else. I'm trying to get the MiniDock Rom Burned in a format I can use in the Docks I and Plus, I'm not sure I've ever had a DockII for comparison.

The MiniDock and DuoDock are so similar that the DeclROM might be universal. About the only thing the DuoDock has that the MiniDock doesn't is NuBus, which doesn't even need DeclRom Support, it's directly wired to the 2300c's PBX bridged 68030 PDS/Docking Connector, part of the Duo itself.

The DuoDock Logic Board is a Slot Manager addressed, multifunction Expansion Card defined by the DeclROM. I know it sounds inside out, but it really is!

Whatever, I've been toying with the notion of adding NuBus to the MiniDock for over ten years now.

 

[beachycove]

Scuppers my plan, and there I had more or less figured out how to centre the lcd.... Could maybe be done with a microdock, but I don't have one of those.

The pds connector would not be easy to turn 180 degrees, to say the least.

 

[BlastoiseBlue]

Ehh, I guess my ideas are more acquired tastes then, hehe. I just kinda' liked how it all lined up like that. Nametag style looks alright though, I'm more interested in the Compact case. :3

... Maybe you could run the whole name under the screen bezel all in one line though? :B

 

[beachycove]

Trash's pic of the stacked boards alongside the Classic case makes me recall one of Dana's old vhacks.

 

[MinerAl]

... Maybe you could run the whole name under the screen bezel all in one line though? :B

:lol:

 

[BlastoiseBlue]

Pfffft, I give! XD

 

[Trash80toHP_Mini]

Scuppers my plan, and there I had more or less figured out how to centre the lcd....

Sorry, but maybe not . . . I hope you like Dana's vHack . . .

The pds connector would not be easy to turn 180 degrees, to say the least.

. . . cuz that pic and you being off in several directions came out to a 90 degree possibility!

It all boils down to that LCD cable now!

Piccies coming up!

 

[MinerAl]

Since I can't find a SVGA monochrome 9" display, I could do this...

 

[Trash80toHP_Mini]

Dana vHacked that one already . . . :lol:

. . . but add a second floppy slot for the Zip Drive while fixing that aspect ratio and you've got a winner! )

 

[BlastoiseBlue]

And essentially make it a micro molar mac?

 

[Trash80toHP_Mini]

Depending upon that dratted LCD Cable, this could work.



Adding the SubBasementHack™ brings that up to should work . . .



. . . and provides room for a 12" Sound or Video Card and a vVidCard or better yet, an old VidCard that'll act as a TV-Tuner . . .

. . . but I'm pretty sure they don't put the Vido on the Mac's main monitor, just direct I/O on board the card.

. . . the sound card would be the PAS16, because I got that lil' puppy to output STEREO on a Duo! ;D

That and a Video card for a real (2 pages @ 24bit) monitor on a KVM switch with a real (read current) computer and you're good to go. :approve:

%*^&> ^*>&-^%$^%# LCD Cable permitting . . . :

p.s. using the MiniDock makes this contraption a bit more doable within the Plus and ought leave room for the eviscerated Zip's entrails . . .

. . . 16" or Portrait Res will do in a pinch and a stereo I've already got! )

:O

edit: almost forgot the best part, if I can get this to work, I'm putting the 18 month old AtomicToddler behind the DuoBits . . .

. . . using a set of DOA Plus Boards for adapting I/O ports, Power input/switch, Brightness knob/KVM switch activation . . .

. . . USB2 KBD Connection into RJ-11 KBD on the front panel . . .

. . . and I have always wanted to do a Slotloader Optical Drive where the cooling vents under the chin are located! [] ]'>

 

[beachycove]

What exactly is involved in disabling the Dock's Declaration ROM?

 

[Mk.558]

May I inquire as to the necessity of the NuBUS situation?

A non-Duo 2300c display can fit on a 2300c logic board if the CPU copper shield is carefully modified to permit the new display connector to fit.

Have you considered ebay's offerings, like this? http://www.ebay.com/itm/180927925591

MicroDocks -- ah those. I don't see non-FDD microdocks much. NetDocks -- ah those are a rarity.

If you need a smaller monochrome display, a Duo 230 display is pretty close to the proportions of the Classic monitor.

Here is a Duo 230 display (ate the dust, lower half of screen corrupted):



A 2300c display is as here:

here:

...yeah.

Are you aware of another user who made a post on stuffing a mac mini inside a Classic and using a special 9" 1024x768 VGA display? He made a special vacuum formed plastic cover that conforms to the shape of the original CRT and then stuffed the LCD behind that. Neat project.

EDIT:

Here is the mod I did to my 230/100's CPU shield to get the Duo 230 connector to work. AFAIK only the 2300c uses the white one. I'd like to get rid of the yucky application of electrical tape (it doesn't bond very well) but it's not a concern at the moment since the future of the unit is uncertain (don't know what to do with it).



I will bet that the 2300c Upgrade option had a different CPU shield there with a proper cutout but Good Luck finding those around.

Also FYI the CPU stiffener is a vital heatsink for the CPU. If you are doing it as you envision I'd put a good heatsink on there. The CPUs (including the 230) have a heatpad between the CPU stiffener and the CPU -- not compound because if you wanted to upgrade to the 14.4Kbps modem you have to take the whole thing down to the bare logic board.

 

[Trash80toHP_Mini]

NuBus Cards are Da Bombe . . .

. . . an' here b d ROM . . .

Since every dock is an expansion card, I've got to check the DuoSystem DevNote . . .

. . . me wonders if the MiniDock and the DuoDock use the same PseudoSlot interrupts and memory map locations . . .

. . . interesting . . . enigmatic as well! [}] ]'>

 

[Trash80toHP_Mini]

Could the Zip drive run from the internal SCSI at the same time as the ATA CF drive, or would it need to be taken from the Dock's SCSI port?

You had me wondering for a bit there, but I can now confirm that the internal SCSI does indeed function at the same time as the Lame@$$ IDE HDD implememtation. I set up that B@R#@$$#D 2300c MoBo to boot from the IDE HDD with a nice SCSI HDD stacked on top of it. The SCSI drive's Icon popped right up underneath the boot drive icon!

Better news was that I got an LCD/Lid that I thought was good hooked up and it didn't work . . . then discovered it was working, but the backlight or the controller baord for it was playing possum. Gotta Crack it open, meanwhile, I need to fine the borked LCD and try to klugify one unit that'll work in the Zippified Plus. To get that working it's necessary to take the metal frame off and bend the sidecar board back on an angle to clear the Compact's inner plastics.

You had me going because I was planning to use the internal SCSI to interface with the IDE interface in another hack. I'd like to put one of my MicroEN/SCs into the HDD bay of a 2300cTB alongside with some kind of nice roomy solid state drive adapter combo. [] ]'>

 

[Bunsen]

Have you considered ebay's offerings, like this? http://www.ebay.com/itm/180927925591

Ugh, widescreen.

Try:

8.4" 800x600 w/ VGA input US$99 shipped

http://www.ebay.com/itm/360532509646

8.0" 640x480 US$89 shipped

http://www.ebay.com/itm/360308393373

10.4" 800x600 US$125 shipped

http://www.ebay.com/itm/110979176984

*NB - fitting a 10.4" LCD has been done, but you have to open the front bezel hole a fair amount.

For when the above links go stale, the seller's name is inesun. Another seller worth checking is nyjtouch or njytouch, one of those spellings.