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I want to do this...
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... I want that.
EDIT: Also, you could center the Apple logo under the drive and the name under the logo. Or have the name under the drive and the logo in the center of the top of the bezel? I kind of like the "name tag" format it's got going now though.
EDIT TWO: And have you considered modding the keyboard? Maybe slicing off the number pad to make it smaller and moving the power button inward a bit. I know lack of numpad is inconvenient for 2 player games and whatnot, but still.
EDIT: Also, you could center the Apple logo under the drive and the name under the logo. Or have the name under the drive and the logo in the center of the top of the bezel? I kind of like the "name tag" format it's got going now though.
EDIT TWO: And have you considered modding the keyboard? Maybe slicing off the number pad to make it smaller and moving the power button inward a bit. I know lack of numpad is inconvenient for 2 player games and whatnot, but still.
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There's something adorable about that... I almost want to open some image program and give it goofy comic book eyes or soemthing. XD
iCrap! discontinuity break again! But it's a blessing in disguise.
uniserver, that is just . . . dreadful. Do NOT post any more pics of that Cyclopean Eye/Mouth Monstrosity!
Thanks for reminding me just how AntiClassic everything about that ColorThing was/is though.
Forgot about its FDD slot config, got it mixed up with the LC/605 slot while frantically typing on the previous page . . .
@ Blue: that mouth IS an eye already, don't touch it, YUCK!!!!!!
@ markyb86: for shame, I hope you see the error in your visualization now. BLECH!!!! PTUI!!!!!!!!!!!!!! UGH!
@ Al: they're a drop in replacement for the earlier LC case, IIRC. I can test it to confirm if needed.
BTW, I cannot believe you think that . . . thing . . . was cute, then again, you like the CC so your artistic tastes needs must be a bit on the . . .
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uniserver, that is just . . . dreadful. Do NOT post any more pics of that Cyclopean Eye/Mouth Monstrosity!
Thanks for reminding me just how AntiClassic everything about that ColorThing was/is though.
Forgot about its FDD slot config, got it mixed up with the LC/605 slot while frantically typing on the previous page . . .
@ Blue: that mouth IS an eye already, don't touch it, YUCK!!!!!!
@ markyb86: for shame, I hope you see the error in your visualization now. BLECH!!!! PTUI!!!!!!!!!!!!!! UGH!
@ Al: they're a drop in replacement for the earlier LC case, IIRC. I can test it to confirm if needed.
BTW, I cannot believe you think that . . . thing . . . was cute, then again, you like the CC so your artistic tastes needs must be a bit on the . . .
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Yep, he likes the CC's looks too . . . :
I was beginning to like the way you think, so there you go, wreaking even more digital mayhem than the res . . .
1) you've gotta move the eyes up about half an inch to be anatomically correct . . .
2) this is a family friendly forum, so I can only show half of what that hideous thing brings to mind . . .
:O
3) I predict the next defacement will be the lipsticking of a withered, hagged out Vaudevilleienne.
< ClownFace would be more appropriate . . . >
< wonders if BlackFace mimickry the MacTV would be considered a racial or an anti-MacTV/fugleee500 Series slur? >
< wonders which might bring more flack rounds his way and if they'd be proximity fused >
4) MoBo shots are in the digi-cam and I'm firing up the Quicksilver'02 Space Heater . . .
@ uni: I hated the look of from first sight on a magazine cover when it was released. The Takky gang over on 'fritter almost got me over that disdain. The ONLY thing I ever really liked about the CC was that you could shove the drawer of 6500 in there to give it a two-slot G3 @$$!
But, somehow I managed to do that with a REAL Classic, thank heaven above! :lol:
I was beginning to like the way you think, so there you go, wreaking even more digital mayhem than the res . . .
1) you've gotta move the eyes up about half an inch to be anatomically correct . . .
2) this is a family friendly forum, so I can only show half of what that hideous thing brings to mind . . .
:O
3) I predict the next defacement will be the lipsticking of a withered, hagged out Vaudevilleienne.
< ClownFace would be more appropriate . . . >
< wonders if BlackFace mimickry the MacTV would be considered a racial or an anti-MacTV/fugleee500 Series slur? >
< wonders which might bring more flack rounds his way and if they'd be proximity fused >
4) MoBo shots are in the digi-cam and I'm firing up the Quicksilver'02 Space Heater . . .
@ uni: I hated the look of from first sight on a magazine cover when it was released. The Takky gang over on 'fritter almost got me over that disdain. The ONLY thing I ever really liked about the CC was that you could shove the drawer of 6500 in there to give it a two-slot G3 @$$!
But, somehow I managed to do that with a REAL Classic, thank heaven above! :lol:
It is, that's all that just works. Doing the TAKKY Hack of any non-500 Series AIO is in an entirely different category.
I wound up doing a good part of that same hack to a 550(?) in order to paint it black as a G3MacTV. I find the MacTV to be marginally more ugly than the CC, but that the CC's pathetic little 10" Trinitron is merely the waste of a perfectly good TV/Tuner. MoBo and Accelerator.
The 550's 12" Trinitron ain't where it's at either, nor is the 9" Classic but the Projector in the
That MacTV case is just something that should NEVER have happened to the Color Platinum or Beige or anything but Blue!
< /ManIB mode >
. . . no offense meant to the Color Blue.
I knew I should have used the wooden yardsticks . . .
The 605 Mobo practically identical to the Classis/Plus in width and almost exactly half as much less in length than the Classic's mMoBo is, as compared than the Plus MoBo.
IOW, you're good to go.
p.s. the 605's PCB is 8.75" x 7" if that's actually what you wanted to know! [)] ]'>
I wound up doing a good part of that same hack to a 550(?) in order to paint it black as a G3MacTV. I find the MacTV to be marginally more ugly than the CC, but that the CC's pathetic little 10" Trinitron is merely the waste of a perfectly good TV/Tuner. MoBo and Accelerator.
The 550's 12" Trinitron ain't where it's at either, nor is the 9" Classic but the Projector in the
That MacTV case is just something that should NEVER have happened to the Color Platinum or Beige or anything but Blue!
< /ManIB mode >
. . . no offense meant to the Color Blue.
I knew I should have used the wooden yardsticks . . .
The 605 Mobo practically identical to the Classis/Plus in width and almost exactly half as much less in length than the Classic's mMoBo is, as compared than the Plus MoBo.
IOW, you're good to go.
p.s. the 605's PCB is 8.75" x 7" if that's actually what you wanted to know! [
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I am rearing to try this too, with the following variations:
280c screen, which should fit, unlike the 2300c screen. It is a nicer screen anyway.
2300c logic board
CF drive ATA
DuoDock innards for Nubus support
Floppy replaced by scsi zip drive
Questions:
280c screen, which should fit, unlike the 2300c screen. It is a nicer screen anyway.
2300c logic board
CF drive ATA
DuoDock innards for Nubus support
Floppy replaced by scsi zip drive
Questions:
- Can anyone confirm that the 280c LCD will work with a 2300c logic board?
Could the Zip drive run from the internal SCSI at the same time as the ATA CF drive, or would it need to be taken from the Dock's SCSI port?
Is an alternative to the notoriously unreliable duodock ps possible?
The 2300c MoBo was designed to be a drop in replacement for every Duo ever made. So, yes, theoretically, but I've yet to try it.
I don't see why not, but I can hook an HDD on each bus and give it a whirl.
In over twenty years of using multiple DuoDocks, I've only ever needed to do the well documented, easily done repair for that "notorious" reliability issue once.
Then again, it is the strangest form factor I've yet to run across for a PSU.
I saved a couple of Dock Boards and PSU wire harnesses from the recyclers (thanks again whoever you are!) for doing just this sort of thing, that's what I'll be doing.
Are you looking into doubling the DuoDock board back upon the Duo Mobo to reduce the footprint? I've been looking at that right alongside flipping the NuBus Slots around to the other side as well.
Since I don't have a working CRT for the ZipMacPLUS™ to drive, maybe I'll tag along on this Classic Hacking Spree!
p.s. anybody got the dimensions/comparisons between Zip and Jaz drive openings? [}] ]'>
I don't see why not, but I can hook an HDD on each bus and give it a whirl.
In over twenty years of using multiple DuoDocks, I've only ever needed to do the well documented, easily done repair for that "notorious" reliability issue once.
Then again, it is the strangest form factor I've yet to run across for a PSU.
I saved a couple of Dock Boards and PSU wire harnesses from the recyclers (thanks again whoever you are!) for doing just this sort of thing, that's what I'll be doing.
Are you looking into doubling the DuoDock board back upon the Duo Mobo to reduce the footprint? I've been looking at that right alongside flipping the NuBus Slots around to the other side as well.
Since I don't have a working CRT for the ZipMacPLUS™ to drive, maybe I'll tag along on this Classic Hacking Spree!
p.s. anybody got the dimensions/comparisons between Zip and Jaz drive openings? [}
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Actually in retrospect there is a standard 50 pin SCSI connection on the Dock logic board, so the one in the Duo, which would presumably be slower, is immaterial.
On the question of the ps, what I would really want to be able to do is use a fanless ps, and as I have had Duo power supplies die repeatedly on me, a replacement would be doubly welcome. Would something like an LC ps work, perchance?
The duodock logic board itself is a mere 7.5 x 7", plus the nubus attachment, of course, so maybe that doubling back would not be needed. I don't know. The Duo's itself I do not have handy to measure. I haven't done measurements in the Classic case, either. I am not a habitual hacker like some around here, and in fact I like my machines stock.
I have been thinking about this, though, not so much as a hack, but mostly from the point of view of using it as a hypercard station. What I am proposing would be perfect for it. Not many of us hear talk about that fabulous program, but it IS fabulous, and much more powerful than it lets on. Running it on a little machine like this would be perfection.
On the question of the ps, what I would really want to be able to do is use a fanless ps, and as I have had Duo power supplies die repeatedly on me, a replacement would be doubly welcome. Would something like an LC ps work, perchance?
The duodock logic board itself is a mere 7.5 x 7", plus the nubus attachment, of course, so maybe that doubling back would not be needed. I don't know. The Duo's itself I do not have handy to measure. I haven't done measurements in the Classic case, either. I am not a habitual hacker like some around here, and in fact I like my machines stock.
I have been thinking about this, though, not so much as a hack, but mostly from the point of view of using it as a hypercard station. What I am proposing would be perfect for it. Not many of us hear talk about that fabulous program, but it IS fabulous, and much more powerful than it lets on. Running it on a little machine like this would be perfection.
The 280c screen is a little smaller than the 2300c -- which could be a problem or a gift, depending on how things worked out with the bezel. But there is more of the screen hidden behind the plastics of the 280c bezel, so a fit in a Classic/ Compact case seems possible.
The two screens used different technologies. I think the 280c was called a "parallel" screen, but don't quote me on that. However, you can use a 280c outdoors without backlighting, which you can't with the later, conventional LCD of a 2300c, 540c, etc.. The earlier screen technology used in the 280c also looks much more like a CRT than an LCD. While it is a smaller screen, text on it is crisper than it is on the 2300c.
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I just did some more measurements. The visible part of a 280c screen is a little smaller than the bezel of a Classic by about 1/2": 6 3/4" x 5 1/8" on the 280c versus 7 1/4" x 5 9/16" on the Classic bezel. This would allow for a black edge around the screen, i suppose, but what the hack would look like in practice is hard to predict. The visible part of a 2300c screen, for its part, is larger than the Classic bezel by about the same margin.
The 2300c logic board, if RAM and modem are included, is 10" x 5" (that is not exact, but it's a pretty close measurement -- I'd have to disassemble the whole machine to get a better one). The Classic shell would give you roughly 12 3/4" height x 9 1/4" width max., x approx. 10" depth (less on the bottom and the top because of the cutouts).
Without actually trying the assembled boards in the case, it looks like the two logic boards could fit if put together vertically, though where ports etc would lie is another question. You'd have something like 12" to 12 1/2" total between the two assembled boards, with the option of unplugging the modem board in order to negotiate tight corners/ angles. So the case gives you round about enough room to play with. Where the Nubus adapter would lie is another question. It's been years since I disembowelled a DuoDock, so I can't remember. But I have two of them here.
A microdock would be a much easier solution. It might be the only solution, in fact, since I am not sure that the Duo logic board can output video to its LCD when connected to a full-sized Dock! It may well be set to sleep, or it may well come on in the Dock, but you can't tell with the design. Certainly the screen continues to work with a microDock. But the guts of a full Dock arrangement would have significant advantages if it could be made to fit and work: two Nubus slots, more RAM (standard 72 pin, could theoretically take a 128MB SIMM), onboard SCSI, etc.
I am encouraged enough to ponder having a quick and dirty go at assembling something for fit over the coming weekend.
The two screens used different technologies. I think the 280c was called a "parallel" screen, but don't quote me on that. However, you can use a 280c outdoors without backlighting, which you can't with the later, conventional LCD of a 2300c, 540c, etc.. The earlier screen technology used in the 280c also looks much more like a CRT than an LCD. While it is a smaller screen, text on it is crisper than it is on the 2300c.
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I just did some more measurements. The visible part of a 280c screen is a little smaller than the bezel of a Classic by about 1/2": 6 3/4" x 5 1/8" on the 280c versus 7 1/4" x 5 9/16" on the Classic bezel. This would allow for a black edge around the screen, i suppose, but what the hack would look like in practice is hard to predict. The visible part of a 2300c screen, for its part, is larger than the Classic bezel by about the same margin.
The 2300c logic board, if RAM and modem are included, is 10" x 5" (that is not exact, but it's a pretty close measurement -- I'd have to disassemble the whole machine to get a better one). The Classic shell would give you roughly 12 3/4" height x 9 1/4" width max., x approx. 10" depth (less on the bottom and the top because of the cutouts).
Without actually trying the assembled boards in the case, it looks like the two logic boards could fit if put together vertically, though where ports etc would lie is another question. You'd have something like 12" to 12 1/2" total between the two assembled boards, with the option of unplugging the modem board in order to negotiate tight corners/ angles. So the case gives you round about enough room to play with. Where the Nubus adapter would lie is another question. It's been years since I disembowelled a DuoDock, so I can't remember. But I have two of them here.
A microdock would be a much easier solution. It might be the only solution, in fact, since I am not sure that the Duo logic board can output video to its LCD when connected to a full-sized Dock! It may well be set to sleep, or it may well come on in the Dock, but you can't tell with the design. Certainly the screen continues to work with a microDock. But the guts of a full Dock arrangement would have significant advantages if it could be made to fit and work: two Nubus slots, more RAM (standard 72 pin, could theoretically take a 128MB SIMM), onboard SCSI, etc.
I am encouraged enough to ponder having a quick and dirty go at assembling something for fit over the coming weekend.
The only piece of my puzzle that I have at the moment is the Classic. I'm tempted to sacrifice a Classic II and call it an upgrade. The boot-from-ROM of the Classic is too cool a trick to toss out
I've got a bid in on a 475 for parts. I'll see about whether the horizontal axis thing I was talking about is a real thing or my imagination. Looks like the power supply is a great size. Anybody know if its power molex pinout is the same as the classic by any chance? That'd be too easy.
The screen is really the sticking point. We'll see what I can find. There's only a couple things on eBay at the moment, and I'm not encouraged by any of them. One's CGA; one doesn't list its connection type. I'll have to keep an eye out at the Surplus Exchange this weekend.
For video, would the best thing be to unsolder the 15 pin video connector, and replace it with a upward facing (or dongled) VGA port?
