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How to install a usb card in my Performa 6360 ?
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Not really sure. I started off this question noting
in addition to all the information i provided and the information provided in turn.
It was noted that this said Belkin card F5U005 ( a card from those years ago ) would work. An off course Belkin are no longer accessible to provide drivers or comment about the compatibility of the card.
And, who knows maybe the guy that sent me the card may have damaged the card in some way because that happened to me before in an eBay purchase. I don't have enough know how to know how to test these boards.
Macguy,
I am going to send you the files via email tomorrow. One thing to note, though. You may want to try a "clean installation" of Mac OS 9.1, if you can. This has worked for me in the past. You won't have to wipe the hard drive to do this, but it would be a good idea, just in case. And make sure the Belkin card is plugged in before attempting a reinstall, so that the installer will see that you have a USB interface there and ready to go.
Best Regards,
Joe aka Phreakout. :rambo:
I am going to send you the files via email tomorrow. One thing to note, though. You may want to try a "clean installation" of Mac OS 9.1, if you can. This has worked for me in the past. You won't have to wipe the hard drive to do this, but it would be a good idea, just in case. And make sure the Belkin card is plugged in before attempting a reinstall, so that the installer will see that you have a USB interface there and ready to go.
Best Regards,
Joe aka Phreakout. :rambo:
What is the version of your Mac OS 9 CD? If you have a Mac OS 9.1 retail CD, you can install that straight away, without any trouble.
If you have 9.0.0 or 9.0.4, you have to install that, and then run the Mac OS 9.1 Update.
If you have 9.0.0 or 9.0.4, you have to install that, and then run the Mac OS 9.1 Update.
I appear to have the "official" OS 9 and 9.1 installers.
I've done the install and re-installs so many times that at this point of trying to get that Belkin card going i'll do a build. Just thought i would ask to get an understanding of the steps involved.
I even tried the 9.2.2 installer but it refused to install to my P6360: message something about the machine not be compatible with that update version.
I hope that those files phreakout sends will wake up the card.
If not then i will just have to break down and take the P6360 to a local authorized apple repair guy and cough up the bucks and live on hot water soup for a month or two.
I've done the install and re-installs so many times that at this point of trying to get that Belkin card going i'll do a build. Just thought i would ask to get an understanding of the steps involved.
I even tried the 9.2.2 installer but it refused to install to my P6360: message something about the machine not be compatible with that update version.
I hope that those files phreakout sends will wake up the card.
If not then i will just have to break down and take the P6360 to a local authorized apple repair guy and cough up the bucks and live on hot water soup for a month or two.
OS 9.2.1 and 9.2.2 aren't supported on pre-G3 systems, you need OS 9 Helper to use those versions.
Out of curiousity, are you sure that the card is even any good? Have you tested it in another machine? At this point, I'd probably look at trying it in your 8500, or even a Windows PC if you have access to one.
Out of curiousity, are you sure that the card is even any good? Have you tested it in another machine? At this point, I'd probably look at trying it in your 8500, or even a Windows PC if you have access to one.
No, not really sure that the card is even good: i was assured that the card is new and never used: although i have been badly stung in a similar purchase of some midi gear.
My 8500 already has a FireWire card and a USB card and i don't want to anger the gods by removing those cards and trying this one.
Hopefully Joe aka Phreakout emails me the USB extensions.
I'll just wait and if all fails walk it over to my local apple authorized repair guy and ask him to save the day AGAIN for this wanabe mac tech guy.
However it sure has me baffled why there is no response from the card or why apple's profiler or norton's system's works 9 fails to see the card although Conflict catcher 9 sees the drivers but no device.
Also perhaps i did not "install" the card correctly.
Thanks LCGuy for keeping tabs on my problem.
My rule of thumb is to use a known install disk that will for sure boot from startup. For example, in my case, I have only one Mac OS bootable installer; and that is version 8.6. My 9.1 installer apparently is one that was downloaded from Apple and someone (not me) just burned the contents to a CD. So, in order for me to put 9.1 on my Power Mac 7500, I have to boot the machine off of the 8.6 install CD, install 8.6, restart the machine to boot off the hard drive (with the newly installed 8.6), then put the 9.1 install CD in the drive and install 9.1 from there.
I'm gathering up the files now (copying them to my thumb drive off of the 7500) and you should be getting the email within the next hour. The files will be extensions that you will need to place on a floppy disk or CD and copy them over to the Extensions Folder of your Mac. Restart the Mac and then check Apple System Profiler to see if the card is finally recognized. If not, then I'd be suspicious that the card doesn't work on your Mac for some reason. Maybe it could be a dud at that point; who knows.
73s de Phreakout aka Joe. :rambo:
Before i go spending retirement money we don't have ( the wifey is already furious about this project on an old machine as she sezs ) do you guys think that perhaps resetting the CUDA switch may help wake up the computer to the fact that there is a USB PCI card installed ?
And if it would help were is the CUDA switch in the performa 6360 ?
And if it would help were is the CUDA switch in the performa 6360 ?
I'm not too confident that it would help fix the problem, but its certainly worth a try, the only downside is that you'll lose all your PRAM settings (sound volume, alert sound, date/time, network settings, etc). The CUDA reset switch is a tiny black or red switch somewhere on the top side of the logic board.
Unfortunately though, I'm willing to bet that there's a good chance that there's a problem with your card - having done it myself I can confirm that adding a USB card to a Mac, even an older Mac running OS 8.6 should not be this hard.
Unfortunately though, I'm willing to bet that there's a good chance that there's a problem with your card - having done it myself I can confirm that adding a USB card to a Mac, even an older Mac running OS 8.6 should not be this hard.
From memory, a CUDA reset is a good idea when adding any new hardware.
And I don't remember if it's been pointed out before, but the card needs to be installed (and recognised) before you install the OS and/or drivers.
The fact that your utilities are not showing the card's existence is not a good sign, but I'd try the CUDA reset before giving up on it.
And I don't remember if it's been pointed out before, but the card needs to be installed (and recognised) before you install the OS and/or drivers.
The fact that your utilities are not showing the card's existence is not a good sign, but I'd try the CUDA reset before giving up on it.
Don't take the Mac to a repair shop. I don't see how that could turn out well financially.
I have had some experience with USB cards. OS 9 includes some USB drivers but they are wrong. You have to throw them away, and install USB Card Support from the separate installer. This usually works for me on Beige G3s.
Install the drivers and restart. If the card doesn't work then it's either incompatible or defective.
I have confirmed this several times:
- Install OS 9 (and any upgrades)
- Delete the USB extensions
- Install the USB card
- Install USB Card Support 1.4.1
If the card does not work, 100% of the time I can put in another card and it works. The original card was defective or incompatible.
I have had some experience with USB cards. OS 9 includes some USB drivers but they are wrong. You have to throw them away, and install USB Card Support from the separate installer. This usually works for me on Beige G3s.
Install the drivers and restart. If the card doesn't work then it's either incompatible or defective.
I have confirmed this several times:
- Install OS 9 (and any upgrades)
- Delete the USB extensions
- Install the USB card
- Install USB Card Support 1.4.1
If the card does not work, 100% of the time I can put in another card and it works. The original card was defective or incompatible.
My problem was solved by my apple tech guy.
I am so embarrassed i will whisper what i did wrong
within half a second the tech guy noticed by simply looking at the rear of the computer that the card was not seated. When i removed the right angled connection from the board to make it easier to insert the PCI board into the right angleed connection when i finished with that part i did not fully push down the right angled connection into the mother board. There was about an 1/16 of an inch gap at one end and of course MR MAGOO could not see that. The tech guy pushed that down and also provided a bracket that was missing to firm the PCI card in place. After the assembly he fired up the Mac and the USB card fired up no problems. Anyways it was a lesson learned: don't play wanabe tech.
I am so embarrassed i will whisper what i did wrong
within half a second the tech guy noticed by simply looking at the rear of the computer that the card was not seated. When i removed the right angled connection from the board to make it easier to insert the PCI board into the right angleed connection when i finished with that part i did not fully push down the right angled connection into the mother board. There was about an 1/16 of an inch gap at one end and of course MR MAGOO could not see that. The tech guy pushed that down and also provided a bracket that was missing to firm the PCI card in place. After the assembly he fired up the Mac and the USB card fired up no problems. Anyways it was a lesson learned: don't play wanabe tech.
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