CDs from Powerbook to a Color Classic - not working

[mraroid]

Hi folks....
 
I bought a powerbook G4 on ebay to support my Color Classic.  My idea was to use the powerbook (running 10.5. to down load software, burn it to a CD or DVD, then drop the disk into a DVD burner I have connected to my Color Classic. 

It is not going well.
 
I was able to down load a few utilities and games to the powerbook.  I then inserted a unformatted Sony 700MB CD-R disk in the powerbook.  I moved the files I down loaded to the CD, then burned the CD.  The burn went well with no issues.  I ejected the disk and then dropped it into the Sun Microsystems DVD burner I have connected to my Color Classic.
 
I am running 7.6.1 on my Color Classic.  When I drop the disk into my CC, I receive a pop up that reads:  "This disk is unreadable by this Macintosh.  Do you want to initialize this disk?."  Under that text it says:  "Format:  Macintosh 181.7MBs.".  If I answer yes, I receive a followup message that warns me that all data will be erased, and do I want to continue.  If I say yes, I receive a message that says:  Init failed because the disk is locked".   Then it ejects the disk.
 
I tried to drop a new CD-R into the DVD burner but nothing happens.  I can not find a way to init a CD-R using the Color Classic.
 
I have several disks that I bought that work in my Sun microsystems DVD drive that I have hooked up to the Color Classic.  I have not tried to burn anything with this drive, but I know it reads all the disks I have bought.

My next attempt will be trying the above using a blank DVD-R and see if that is any different.

I suspect I am doing something really stupid, but I can't figure out what it is. 
 
Any suggestions?
 
Thanks in advance.
 
jack
 

 

[beachycove]

Have you tried installing the Toast Extension?

 

[Macdrone]

Im pretty sure the CC only has a CD rom extention available.  Also the format of the disc is needed.  I know my imac cannot format zip disks my CC can see, but the old zip driver (used by the CC)can be used by my imac to drop files onto and use on the CC.  UDF format from what I remember works best and write cd's at 1X speed.

 

[butterburger]

You probably burned HFS+. Before you waste another (CD or DVD) -R, help us to help you by providing more detail about what last you recorded. Put that 'Sony 700MB CD-R disk in the powerbook', open Terminal.app, run 'pdisk -l /dev/rdisk1s0', and post the output. Better to attach a screengrab, because this board software fails to preserve exact text.

 

[rsolberg]

In 10.5, HFS+ (MacOS Extended) is the default filesystem for Finder disc burning. It can be changed in Finder preferences, but I believe the alternative is UDF which would be a pain to access from the CC as well. ISO9660 will work with PC File Exchange installed in 7.6.1, but the resource fork will be missing for your files, so executables won't work and MacOS won't know how to open a bunch of stuff. Your best bet is to use HFS (Mac OS Standard) I use Toast 9 with the "legacy formats" option turned on in Preferences. It will show you a "Mac OS Standard" option in "Burn Data CD". If you dont have Toast, I know that Disk Utility in 10.5.X can still make HFS images and burn them. Here's a handy guide: http://main.system7today.com/articles/tutorials/osxos7cdburning.html

 

[mraroid]

You probably burned HFS+. Before you waste another (CD or DVD) -R, help us to help you by providing more detail about what last you recorded. Put that 'Sony 700MB CD-R disk in the powerbook', open Terminal.app, run 'pdisk -l /dev/rdisk1s0', and post the output. Better to attach a screengrab, because this board software fails to preserve exact text.

OK.  Let me do that and report back.  Thanks.

jack

 

[mraroid]

In 10.5, HFS+ (MacOS Extended) is the default filesystem for Finder disc burning. It can be changed in Finder preferences, but I believe the alternative is UDF which would be a pain to access from the CC as well. ISO9660 will work with PC File Exchange installed in 7.6.1, but the resource fork will be missing for your files, so executables won't work and MacOS won't know how to open a bunch of stuff. Your best bet is to use HFS (Mac OS Standard) I use Toast 9 with the "legacy formats" option turned on in Preferences. It will show you a "Mac OS Standard" option in "Burn Data CD". If you dont have Toast, I know that Disk Utility in 10.5.X can still make HFS images and burn them. Here's a handy guide: http://main.system7today.com/articles/tutorials/osxos7cdburning.html

So you are saying that perhaps I could install Toast 9.0 on the powerbook?  I will see if I can find a copy for sale that I can down load.  I will read the guide.  Thanks for the link! 

jack

 

[mraroid]

Have you tried installing the Toast Extension?

In the Color Classic or the Powerbook?  Is the Toast extension a driver file?

jack

 

[MikeatOSX]

Why not install Toast 5 on the PowerBook?

Works great for me with OS X 10.4/10.5.

http://macintoshgarden.org/apps/toast-5-titanium

 

[mraroid]

In 10.5, HFS+ (MacOS Extended) is the default filesystem for Finder disc burning. It can be changed in Finder preferences, but I believe the alternative is UDF which would be a pain to access from the CC as well. ISO9660 will work with PC File Exchange installed in 7.6.1, but the resource fork will be missing for your files, so executables won't work and MacOS won't know how to open a bunch of stuff. Your best bet is to use HFS (Mac OS Standard) I use Toast 9 with the "legacy formats" option turned on in Preferences. It will show you a "Mac OS Standard" option in "Burn Data CD". If you dont have Toast, I know that Disk Utility in 10.5.X can still make HFS images and burn them. Here's a handy guide: http://main.system7today.com/articles/tutorials/osxos7cdburning.html

 
Wow!  It worked mostly.  I had some error messages on the Color Classic end, but I was able to click through them and move files to my CC.  That guide you pointed me to is priceless. 
I don't understand the different file systems like HFS , HFS+, extended vs non extended, UDF, etc.  I will look around for a FAQ and get up to speed.
My CC only has what came with the install of the 7.6.1.  I need to find a un stuffit utility.  The only thing I moved over to it (from the powerbook) and installed is a copy of Adobe reader 3.1. 
poco a poco - one step at a time...
Thanks again. 
jack

 

[mraroid]

Why not install Toast 5 on the PowerBook?

Works great for me with OS X 10.4/10.5.

http://macintoshgarden.org/apps/toast-5-titanium

That sounds like the ticket MikeatOSX.  I will try that now....

Thanks

jack 

 

[Elfen]

If you burn (format) the CD though OSX's Disk utility, it will produce a blank disk. It's a bug/issue that Apple has never resolved.

If you put in a blank CD and leave the system alone,  it will create a "fall out shelter" icon (for those of us who are old enough to know what that icon is and means...). That the space OSX made to put file in to burn onto the CD. Just drop and drag the files into the icon as needed. To burn it, Drag the icon to the trash and a window will pop up, "Do you want to burn your files now?" and answer yes. After a couple of minutes, it will burn the CD for you.

With Toast, use Data Copy and double click the Data Copy Tab and select the type of format you want (Mac OS or Mac/PC Hybrid, not Mac OSX). Put your files into the file lis window and then click on the BURN button.

 

[MikeatOSX]

HFS ends with Mac OS 8.0 (cannot "see" HFS+ partitions).

HFS+ starts with 8.1 up to 9.2.2 and is backwards compatible.

HFS+ journaled starts with Mac OS X (10).

UDF is DVD-Format, ISO9660 is PC format etc.

BTW: with Toast (5) you are able to create boot-CDs for OS 7.x to 9.2.2.

 

[mraroid]

So, 7.6.1 is HFS thern....?

I tried to down load and install Toast from the link posted.  I could down load and uncompressed OK.  But when I tried to install, I receive an error message that said:  "Can't open 5.X.XX because classic environment is no longer supported".  I am running 10.5 on the powerbook.  I down loaded several packages, and had the same results. 

Elfen, I think I follow you.   In your example, will the disk that I burn be in a format that the Color Classic can read? I am working on getting Toast v 5 something to install on the Powerbook.  No luck so far......

Thanks everyone for the additional tips.

jack

 

[MikeatOSX]

I see, you asked a question there. I'm running 5.2.3 on OS X 10.4 and OS 9.2.2, but it's from my own software archive and not from the garden. An installed Toast 5.2.3 can also be copied to a Mac, when the extension also are copied to OS 9 / OS X. I'll take a look an my Mac later and tell you more.

 

[mraroid]

Thanks.  Maybe I need to also install 9.2.2 on my powerbook for toast to be happy???

jack

 

[MikeatOSX]

I don't know, which PowerBook G4 you've bought.

Maybe it even can boot into OS 9.2.2.

Examples:

PowerBook G4/867 (Ti)

PowerBook G4/1.0 (Ti)

The PowerBook G4 Titanium models (those with the black keys and the two-tone silver color) are capable of booting into OS9.

The PowerBook G4 Aluminum models (those with the silver keys and silver color) are NOT capable of booting into OS9.

--

http://www.everymac.com/mac-answers/mac-os-9-classic-support-faq/last-macs-to-boot-startup-macos-9.html

Other G4 can use OS 9.2.2 in classic mode.

 

[mraroid]

Checking,  I have an aluminum Powerbook with a 2004 date on it.  My model number is  A 1095. I have a 1.5Ghz processor.  This appears to be the model  of powerbook that I have:
http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powerbook_g4/specs/powerbook_g4_1.5_15.html
 
 You are correct, It looks like I can not boot to OS 9, but I can run OS 9 from within OSX I believe.  I do have the original Leopard and Tiger DVDs.
 
Is it an advantage to being able to boot to OS 9?  About all I am using this powerbook for is to support my Color Classic.....
 
jack

 

[MikeatOSX]

It's only an advantage if you're still using OS 9 applications and want a fast OS. Most things can be done in "Classic mode" (OS 9 emulation). And some apps, tools etc. were never transferred to Mac OS X.