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Updating my G-4 466 DA . . . finally! =8-/

alk

Well-known member
The other technology in OS X that relates to video acceleration you might hear about these days is Core Image. There isn't much value in pursuing a video card that will support Core Image (Radeon 9600, GeForce FX 5200, or newer), in my opinion. You'll get much better bang-for-the-buck (and possibly noticeable performance improvements) by installing a Quartz Extreme compatible (anything OTHER than the Rage 128 you've got!) video card. QE offloads all the window manager decorations (shadows, genie dock effect, window roll-ups, etc) to the video card instead of to the main CPU. So by installing a QE capable card, you might actually notice a performance increase.

A PCI card to drive your Radius display would work fine, but you may as well just look for a dual-display capable AGP video card like the GeForce4 MX. You probably won't save any money by going with a PCI video card, anyway. The only ones that work with OS X are the PCI implementations of the Rage 128, Radeon (original), Radeon 7000, flashed cards between the 7000 and the 9200, and the Radeon 9200. There aren't many choices, and the Radeons (any variety) will cost at least $30. If you keep your eyes open on eBay, you can find an AGP GeForce4 MX for $35 to $50.

My eBay winnings have expanded. I now own a PowerBook Mustang of my very own. It cost a penny or two, but it was worth every cent. I've got a prototype 2400c/240 (prototype CPU module in a production 2400c/180), a prototype 3400c/160 (yep, 160 MHz), and a prototype Kanga G3. Only the 2400c and the Mustang will boot. The 3400c is missing a PMU (the connector to mount one was never installed - solder pads are present, but no connector), and the Kanga has GLOD of some sort. I picked up an Apple Set Top Box at some point, too. It doesn't do much, which is pretty typical for these boxes as far as I can tell.

I also picked up a pair of Assistive Technology Freestyle tablets derived from the PowerBook 5300c. Those are neat, but really pretty terrible machines. Very cumbersome, heavy, and apparently easily broken. The touch screen is partially defective on both.

Oh, I've also got a TAM that I picked up from 4seasonphoto locally. I still don't quite understand why he let it go, but I'm glad he did. I love it to death!

The last "bidding war" I was in was for the PowerExpress machine on eBay that was sold by a fellow 'Fritter member (and won by another). I was the 2nd highest bidder for that one. Now, though, I see the right person won it because he is actually equipped to produce flash ROMs to try to boot it! I'm not upset about losing that one.

The guy who beat me to the first Mustang (Jococo) hasn't surfaced in a while in any auctions I've been involved in. There are some other folks I see in interesting auctions from time to time. But there don't seem to be too many serious collectors interested in the same things that I am. Or maybe having been gainfully employed for the last 6 years, my threshold for "serious" has risen somewhat from that first Mustang on eBay. ;-)

Peace,

Drew

 

Trash80toHP_Mini

NIGHT STALKER
The other technology in OS X that relates to video acceleration you might hear about these days is Core Image. There isn't much value in pursuing a video card that will support Core Image . . . installing a Quartz Extreme compatible (anything OTHER than the Rage 128 you've got!) video card. QE offloads all the window manager decorations (shadows, genie dock effect, window roll-ups, etc) to the video card instead of to the main CPU. So by installing a QE capable card, you might actually notice a performance increase.
Allright! I don't have to spring for anything too fancy! :D

A PCI card to drive your Radius display would work fine, but you may as well just look for a dual-display capable AGP video card like the GeForce4 MX . . . If you keep your eyes open on eBay, you can find an AGP GeForce4 MX for $35 to $50.
Excellent recommendation, thanks especially for that link, I was expecting to part with MUCH more dinero! ;)

My eBay winnings have expanded. I now own a PowerBook Mustang of my very own.
Congratulations, comrade, that thing is DA BOMB! :cool:

Oh, I've also got a TAM that I picked up from 4seasonphoto locally. I still don't quite understand why he let it go, but I'm glad he did. I love it to death!
Nice one! The rest of your acquisitions, that I edited out for brevity's sake, sound also awefully cool too, buddy! :b&w:

The last "bidding war" I was in was for the PowerExpress machine on eBay that was sold by a fellow 'Fritter member (and won by another). I was the 2nd highest bidder for that one. Now, though, I see the right person won it because he is actually equipped to produce flash ROMs to try to boot it! I'm not upset about losing that one.
Having a non-working PEx board myself, I can sympathize! ::)

But now I've got time & money to get the accelerator card that just MIGHT make mine work!

The guy who beat me to the first Mustang (Jococo) hasn't surfaced in a while in any auctions I've been involved in . . . maybe having been gainfully employed for the last 6 years, my threshold for "serious" has risen somewhat from that first Mustang on eBay. ;-)
No loss there, eh? :lol:

Thanks ever so much for all your help, sadly, I've been out of touch for way too many years. :'(

jt =8-D

 

Trash80toHP_Mini

NIGHT STALKER
If you keep your eyes open on eBay, you can find an AGP GeForce4 MX for $35 to $50.
Ok, I've only got one more hoop to jump thru to have a PayPal account set up the way I think I want it. I'm all signed up on eBAY again and I'm watching for Nvidia GeForce 4 MX AGP cards between $35 & $50!

Question: the AGP GeForce4 MX has two Connectors/Video Out : ADC / DVI

Which connector do I use (DVI as it doesn't have sound?) and where do I get a cable that adapts it to the 5 BNC inputs on my 21" Radius CRT. :?:

The HD-15 VGA port on the Radius is dedicated to my 6360 VideoServer. :cool:

Which connector do I use (ADC?) and where do I get a cable that adapts it to the HDMI (?) input on a Digital TV? :?:

jt: ole' coot waaay out of his depth in dealing with all this newfandoogled techno-crud. :I

p.s. found an interesting factoid on 'fritter: http://www.applefritter.com/node/22078

 

~Coxy

Leader, Tactical Ops Unit
ADC breaks out to DVI pretty cheaply, because it carries the same video signal and the adaptor just ignores the extra power/sound/usb pins. (does ADC actually have sound?)

Once you have DVI, a DVI-HDMI cable is pretty cheap too for a no-name one.

For the CRT, DVI-VGA adaptors are dirt cheap and plentiful because everyone who buys a video card these days gets 1 or 2. Apple even used to give you one for free on PowerMacs and PowerBooks... Once you get VGA output, then a normal VGA - 5xBNC cable should hook up OK.

 

Christopher

Well-known member
Yeah but thats not video playing on screen....
:?:

Huh? Obviously one shouldn't expect to play 1080p video on any G4, nevermind a 466MHz one with a Rage 128 video card. I didn't get the impression that was what Trash80 was planning on doing, though. If all you are trying to do is browse the web and use the HD TV as a stand-in for a monitor, you don't need anything beefy to drive it.

For the record, playback of MPEG-4 video (roughly 480i) on my dual 533 MHz G4 (a Digital Audio) with a Radeon 9000 worked flawlessly at 720p.

Peace,

Drew
But how big was your screen resolution?

 

alk

Well-known member
Yeah but thats not video playing on screen....
[snip]

For the record, playback of MPEG-4 video (roughly 480i) on my dual 533 MHz G4 (a Digital Audio) with a Radeon 9000 worked flawlessly at 720p.

[snip]
But how big was your screen resolution?
Emphasis mine. Video file was an MPEG-4 rip (1500kbps average bit rate) of a Blackhawk Down DVD with a native resolution of 720x304 scaled up to 1280x720.

You are welcome to read more here: http://www.applefritter.com/node/23846

Peace,

Drew

 

Dan 7.1

Well-known member
ADC breaks out to DVI pretty cheaply, because it carries the same video signal and the adaptor just ignores the extra power/sound/usb pins. (does ADC actually have sound?)
Once you have DVI, a DVI-HDMI cable is pretty cheap too for a no-name one.

For the CRT, DVI-VGA adaptors are dirt cheap and plentiful because everyone who buys a video card these days gets 1 or 2. Apple even used to give you one for free on PowerMacs and PowerBooks... Once you get VGA output, then a normal VGA - 5xBNC cable should hook up OK.
Well ADC does have USB, so presumably it will carry the same digital audio signal used by the first cube speakers or the original Sound Sticks

...and by nothing else.

 

Trash80toHP_Mini

NIGHT STALKER
Thanks for the comments & HIYA, ~Coxy! ;D

I've found a couple of very interesting gizmos if a pure cable based solution isn't practical. :b&w:

VGA to HDMI Analog/Digital Video Converter, Also for SVGA, SXGA

http://www.stsi.biz/sx-vh-01.html

Component Video + Audio to HDMI Converter, 1080p Compatible

http://www.stsi.biz/sx-ym-01.html

I could very well be wrong . . .but getting the sound into the HDMI connection seems to me to be the Achilles' heel of this project. :?:

jt =8-\

 

alk

Well-known member
Your project hasn't been shot with a poisoned arrow just yet...

For my TV, I have two possible setups. The first connection is VGA which I use when I connect an iBook. My TV comes with a VGA port to connect directly to a PC (or Mac) with a VGA port. Beside that is a mini-stereo port to connect to the headphone jack on my Mac. That way the audio and video are both connected and selected at the same time when I select "VGA" source from my TV's input source menu. This is a pure analog solution and most (but not all) HDTVs will offer this type of connection.

The second connection is made via HDMI which I use when I connect a modern PowerBook or Power Mac. My TV has three HDMI ports, and one of them also includes RCA audio (left & right analog stereo) input ports right beside it so that I can connect an HDMI source that doesn't carry audio on the digital connection but still get analog audio. So from my Mac, I connect a DVI->HDMI cable to the DVI port (or alternatively to an ADC->DVI adapter which can be surprisingly expensive for a pin-to-pin connector with no electronics inside) and I connect a mini-stereo to RCA cable to my headphones port. I connect the DVI->HDMI cable to the HDMI port on the TV, and the mini-stereo->RCA cable to the RCA audio ports on the TV. Then when I select the right input source (HDMI-3 in my case, but surely different for you), the TV automatically displays the video signal from said HDMI port but gets the audio from the associated, colocated RCA ports. Not all TVs have this feature, so your mileage may vary.

The DVI->HDMI (or ADC->DVI->HDMI) connection is definitely the easiest way to go if you can. And you can always consider using a separate external (as in not integrated into the TV) speaker system for your audio connection if necessary.

Peace,

Drew

 

Bunsen

Admin-Witchfinder-General
Ebay seller macmetex seems to have a ready supply of VGA to 3, 4 and 5 BNC cables for cheap.

 

Christopher

Well-known member
I just did a 720p movie trailer from apple and my Dual G4 with 1GB of ram is chugging, it's dropping frames all over the place.

Quicktime says between 4 and 8 frames per second.

 

alk

Well-known member
I just did a 720p movie trailer from apple and my Dual G4 with 1GB of ram is chugging, it's dropping frames all over the place.
Do you understand the difference between playing HD content and upscaling 480i content to 1280x720?

 

Dan 7.1

Well-known member
I just did a 720p movie trailer from apple and my Dual G4 with 1GB of ram is chugging, it's dropping frames all over the place.
Do you understand the difference between playing HD content and upscaling 480i content to 1280x720?
The answer is no. Lets let it be.

 

Trash80toHP_Mini

NIGHT STALKER
Just kidding, everybody should check out the artwork eeun posted over in the 'fritter edition of this thread. 8-o

http://www.applefritter.com/node/24071

It's WELL worth a peek (it's almost at the bottom of the page) and a hoot as an example of a wiring diagram to begin with, but his caricature of me is just plain uncanny. It's an incredible feat of visualization for someone who's known me for freakin' years in these fora (forums?) and has never laid eyes on me.

eeun= :cool:

jt, still LOL! :lol:

 

Trash80toHP_Mini

NIGHT STALKER
To get two displays simultaneously, you need a GeForce4 MX class video card (or better) from nVidia (typically 64MB or more of VRAM - not to complicate things, but the GeForce2 MX with TwinView and 64MB VRAM will do dual monitors) or an ATI Radeon 9000 (Mac Edition) or better.
But I might have done a big OOPSIE! :O

I bid on/won one w/32MB of VRAM, Have I shot myself in the . . . :-x

Will one w/32MB VRAM do the job?

jt :?:

 

Trash80toHP_Mini

NIGHT STALKER
Did you get the GeForce 2? If you did then most likely, you did shoot yourself in the foot. :-/
The auction said: "This is a factory installed Nvidia GeForce4 MX (model A74) graphics video card with 32 MB DDR SDRAM. It has both DVI & ADC connectors, and supports digital and analog resolutions up to 1920 X 1200 pixels . . . pulled from a working MAC Mirrored Door MDD G4, and is guaranteed to work."

Dunno, some auctions mention 64 MB & some don't, if it's not what he said it was, he'll have to stop the sale . . .

. . . or he's gonna get some REALLY nasty feedback! > :(

jt >8-P

 
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