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This Power Macintosh 7200 Makes Me Want To Commit Suicide.

trag

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I would lay fairly long odds that what you have is an overheating processor.

I've been there, brother. Up all night with a 7100, which had tested out okay, sold to a coworker and flaked out on his wife. Reinstall the OS--> problems. Finally get the OS installed. Run some tests. More problems after a couple of hours. Finally I saw some screen artifacts which reminded me of the same artifacts I had on a Power120. I cleaned the CPU and heat sink, replaced the heat sink grease and all the problems vanished.

Sooooo, if you have not yet burned that poor, maligned 7200, pull the heat sink (or if it's a 7200/120, heat sink/peltier combo) clean the white powdering residue off with some unadulterate rubbing alcohol (just alcohol and water, no scents, oils, colors, etc.) and then replace the grease with a dab and replace the heat sink. The grease is available from Radio Shack for about $3 in a blue and white tube on a card which can hang on a peg board. At least, that's how they used to package it. I think they call it "Heat Sink Compound".

You can use the expensive Arctic Silver stuff for $15+ instead, but my experience is that the Radio Shack stuff works about as well in most uses.

Only put a dab on. It's just filling the tiny imperfections between the flat heat sink and flat CPU die (the square in the middle). Plus if the stuff runs off onto the pins of the CPU it can short them out. I killed a board that way, many years ago when they were still worth hundreds of dollars.

PPC601s run hot. The grease Apple used on them turns to useless powder after a while. At which point the CPU becomes unreliable and the errors wander all over the machine, becaues the CPU is randomly belching.

Anyone with a 7100 definitely needs to replace the heat sink grease. The 7200 is probably about due for it too.

BTW, if you do have a 7200/120 and don't have the Peltier/heat sink combo, then you need one. That's the heat sink with the unit under it which plugs into the 12V connector on the MB next to the CPU. The PPC601 will not operate at 120 reliably without active cooling. It's only rated to 100 with passive cooling.

 
I will check on that. I have not junked the 7200 board yet. I'm not at the apartment right now but I don't recall any kind of peltier thing and it is a 7200/120 PC Compatible. I remember my 8100 had a peltier.

 

Blessed Cheesemaker

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I would lay fairly long odds that what you have is an overheating processor.
Ditto...I've have an 8600 that was giving me errors ohmygod I was ready to rip my hair out after several days of nothing but failures of OS installs...

Anyway, I *thought* it was the SCSI bus and started using an external SCSI drive, and things seemed better for a little while, but then the same sh*t started again...

Then by accident tooling around in there, my hand brushed the heatsink, and OUCH! Whoa...it should be warm/hot, but not blistering to the touch...Anyway, I got some advice on to how to but thermal paste on the chip, cleaned it off and applied new paste, and yes, the thing started working well again.

That never would have been my first guess, or even my 30th, but now that it has happened to me (very much like your situation), I am more savvy to it when things really appear to be 100% weird and inconsistent.

 

MacNoob

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I'm going after my 7300/G3-275 right now with similar issues. I discovered I had the hard drive SCSI termination wrong... that made a huge difference. Just about to clean/regrease the CPU heat sink. We shall see.

So does anyone know of a good free memory test/benchmark/burnin utility for Classic Mac OS? Tons for Winders boxes but I can't find one to exercise my 7300.

 

MacNoob

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I'm going after my 7300/G3-275 right now with similar issues. I discovered I had the hard drive SCSI termination wrong... that made a huge difference. Just about to clean/regrease the CPU heat sink. We shall see.
So does anyone know of a good free memory test/benchmark/burnin utility for Classic Mac OS? Tons for Winders boxes but I can't find one to exercise my 7300.
Frakkin box. It's taken up too much of my time. I really had my hopes up there for awhile. I actually had OS 8.5 installed and the unit would boot every time. Upgraded to 9.1 - OK. Try installing OS X with XPostFacto - crasho. Then the machine won't even boot until I strip it right down to minimal RAM, take all the cards out, etc. Then it'll boot. I can then slowly upgrade it back to its original self and it'll work for awhile. Then it'll die and I'll have to repeat the same thing all over again.

It's posted in freecycle RFN. Good riddance to it.

 
I just removed the 7200/120 motherboard.

Problem 1: No peltier is installed. I just ordered two of them from Shreve as I'm sure the other one will come in handy in another Mac. Total was $9.50 including shipping.

Problem 2: Old cracked thermal paste. I got some today and I'm going to go ahead and clean it off and apply the new paste.

Problem 3: No power supply. Does anyone have one that works on such 7200s?

I would like to get this Mac put back together with the DOS card and use it for some old Windows 95 stuff.

 

trag

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The 7500 power supply will work in the 7200. I don't have a spare because I have only one, which is what I use to test x500 motherboards.

You can convert an ATX, if you put an inverter on the soft-power-on line. I think instructions are in an article at xlr8yourmac.com. But it might be difficult to find an ATX supply the right shape for the 7200/7500 case.

An 8500/9500 power supply would also work electrically, but won't fit.

 

Quadraman

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So much for sleep.
The Crescendo/7200 works in a 7500! It's like a really ghetto poor man's G3 upgrade for a 7500, but it works, DIMMs and all. It's all operative. Graphics appear to be accelerated too. Booted off a ZIP disk right now.

Wiping the hard drive now for a full OS 9 reinstall as the one on there was borked up.
Does the system recognize all the RAM both on the motherboard and on the upgrade?? You wouldn't happen to have a 6500 you could try that out on would you?

 
So much for sleep.
The Crescendo/7200 works in a 7500! It's like a really ghetto poor man's G3 upgrade for a 7500, but it works, DIMMs and all. It's all operative. Graphics appear to be accelerated too. Booted off a ZIP disk right now.

Wiping the hard drive now for a full OS 9 reinstall as the one on there was borked up.
Does the system recognize all the RAM both on the motherboard and on the upgrade?? You wouldn't happen to have a 6500 you could try that out on would you?
All RAM is recognized.

I have both a 6400 and a 6500 I can test it on.

 

Quadraman

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So much for sleep.
The Crescendo/7200 works in a 7500! It's like a really ghetto poor man's G3 upgrade for a 7500, but it works, DIMMs and all. It's all operative. Graphics appear to be accelerated too. Booted off a ZIP disk right now.

Wiping the hard drive now for a full OS 9 reinstall as the one on there was borked up.
Does the system recognize all the RAM both on the motherboard and on the upgrade?? You wouldn't happen to have a 6500 you could try that out on would you?
All RAM is recognized.

I have both a 6400 and a 6500 I can test it on.
Go for it. I have been meaning to do that experiment but don't have the time or money right now. I'd be glad to pass on the honor of being the first to run OS X on a 6500 just to know that it works.

 
I've already run OS X on my 6500 [:I] ]'>

I had to do some really convoluted stuff. Only 10.1.5 worked, and it refused to use my Crescendo/L2, so it was booting off the 603ev. It was really slow and sometimes didn't boot or had some other weird crashes.

 

Quadraman

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I've already run OS X on my 6500 [:I] ]'>
I had to do some really convoluted stuff. Only 10.1.5 worked, and it refused to use my Crescendo/L2, so it was booting off the 603ev. It was really slow and sometimes didn't boot or had some other weird crashes.
But since the 7200 upgrade is designed to bypass the onboard 601, it may also work to bypass the onboard 603 in the 6500, which the L2 upgrade can't do. With the additional RAM slots, you may actually be able to get enough memory into the system to keep Tiger happy.

 
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