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The ultimate System 6 box

CelGen

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If you want to keep it really authentic, System 6 came out in 1988 and the last release was 1991. That put it past the Plus by a few years however puts it in the SE or SE/30 if you are into compacts and the II or IIx if you are into full NuBus. This also means that again you are in the SWDL realm so you're like me again when it comes to finding the components. Some things like the scanner and modem were excessively annoying to get hold of.

 

Charlieman

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Eraser: I found where I got the (incorrect) bit of info about the FDHD ROMs:
http://vintagemacworld.com/drives.html
Note that I deliberately wrote in that piece: "According to Apple, the drive and controller cards are not compatible with Macs with FDHD ROMs."

Presume my words to mean "that's what Apple say". Without exhaustive testing on a variety of hardware, it is impossible to say whether any device is compatible. When System 7 launched, Apple dropped support for some legacy hardware -- in order to avoid testing -- and declared it to be incompatible. That doesn't mean that it will fail to work all of the time.

The only time that you should totally accept advice about compatibility is when it is accompanied with words about blue smoke or data loss.

 

Charlieman

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AST/Orange PC cards for System 6:

The AST 286 and Orange versions should work fine in a System 6 Mac II. They are very limited, but that is a challenge in itself.

The Orange NuBus 386 card -- perhaps not all versions -- is the one with an ISA slot which I used for my experiments here: http://www.vintagemacworld.com/O386.html I didn't get it working well with System 6, but others may be more successful.

 

eraser

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Note that I deliberately wrote in that piece: "According to Apple, the drive and controller cards are not compatible with Macs with FDHD ROMs."
Understood. :b&w:

The Orange NuBus 386 card -- perhaps not all versions -- is the one with an ISA slot which I used for my experiments here: http://www.vintagemacworld.com/O386.html I didn't get it working well with System 6, but others may be more successful.
Your writeup on the Orange card is very nice and it was where I first discovered that these cards existed. The ISA slot was something that was exciting to me at first but after reading your writeup I became much less interested in the card. It seemed like you had to build a full PC inside the Mac to get VGA, etc. The later PC Compatibility cards do a much better job of making those features seamless. If the Orange card had onboard VGA and you could use the ISA slot for a SoundBlaster card or something then that would be a bit more cool.

 

Charlieman

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Eraser: The ISA slot was something that was exciting to me at first but after reading your writeup I became much less interested in the card. It seemed like you had to build a full PC inside the Mac to get VGA, etc. The later PC Compatibility cards do a much better job of making those features seamless. If the Orange card had onboard VGA and you could use the ISA slot for a SoundBlaster card or something then that would be a bit more cool.
My adventures were my adventures. Somebody smart will always spot a way to abuse the Orange NuBus cards in ways that I failed to imagine.

The later DOS/PC compatibility cards have oodles more functionality. Getting them to run at all or to run them on an unsupported system can give an interesting story.

 

Trash80toHP_Mini

NIGHT STALKER
If the Orange card had onboard VGA and you could use the ISA slot for a SoundBlaster card or something then that would be a bit more cool.
Well, now I'm glad I never went out of my way to find one of those ISA enabled boards back in the day. I'd wanted to run the ISA interface card from my Font Emulator project installed in my IIx/RocketLaunchPad. Thanks for clearing that one regret about my collection of production gear from the Rocket Era. The guy I spoke to at Sun Remarketing talked me into buying the IIx instead of the somewhat less expensive Mac II with the upgrades required for the Rocket.

The other two regrets will never go away, I'd lusted after the original FPD Card/Monitor combo for my SE/Radius16 and a less expensive alternative. That would have been the 12" Monitor inside a Sun Remarketing Mac XL case . . . OOPSIE!!!! [:O] ]'>

I just love it when info like this appears on such a regular basis here.

 

Charlieman

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From my notes:

*** Orange Micro 386 and 486 NuBus Cards

The Orange386 card was launched in early 1991. The card has a soldered 386SX processor running at 16MHz or 20MHz with a socket for an optional 387 fpu. Four SIMM sockets are provided which must be filled as pairs, using 256KB, 1MB or 4MB SIMMs. The 386SX processor is essentially a 16 bit design which limits RAM expansion to 16MB. For expansion, the card has one 8 bit ISA slot and one 16 bit ISA slot, which take standard PC cards. An optional peripheral kit provides serial, parallel and floppy drive ports via a cable connected to the card.

Other PC functionality is provided by hardware on the host Mac. Built-in graphics is only CGA standard, and is displayed in a Windows on the Mac desktop. Alternatively, an ISA graphics card can be installed for use with a dedicated monitor, but this combination occupies a lot of space inside the Mac. **Detailed information about this card is available online at http://www.vintagemacworld.com/.

The original 386 card was revised in 1993 and rebranded OrangePC. Three versions were offered initially: basic 386SX, enhanced 386SX and an Intel 486 version. Unfortunately, the press release for the 386 cards does not define "basic" or "enhanced", but I believe that the enhanced version had an ISA slot. In December 1993, Orange Micro announced a fourth version with a Cyrix 486SLC2 processor. These were the last PC compatibility cards that had an ISA slot and which used 30 pin SIMMs.

*** OrangePC NuBus 200 Series

With the NuBus 200 Series, Orange adopted a "pick and mix" approach to features and processor speed. Depending on your budget, you could buy a 486 card with VGA or SVGA graphics, real serial and parallel ports and a PCMCIA expansion connector. The VGA/SVGA chip is provided by Video 7. The PCMCIA connector, which replaced the ISA slot on previous NuBus cards, was intended for a sound or network card, but other devices may work. Orange Micro advised users to use monolithic network drivers, rather than installing Card Bus or PCMCIA management drivers. Almost everyone who managed networked PCs in the early 1990s will agree with this recommendation. The cards have a single 72 pin SIMM slot and the processor can be upgraded. Orange Micro specified 32MB as the largest SIMM but it would be worth trying a 64MB or 128MB SIMM if you have one lying around.

The 210 is the entry level model with limited graphics capability (VGA) but a real serial and parallel port. The 250 has better graphics (SVGA) and a PCMCIA connector, but no serial or parallel ports. The 290 is the top of the range model with all of the functionality provided by cheaper models. A 220 model later appeared with similar functionality to the 210 but with SVGA graphics. Orange Micro's cards were more expensive than an Apple Houdini card of the same period, but had more PC compatibility (eg the ability to support software protection dongles).

The 200 series cannot use a separate monitor and video is displayed in a window on the Macintosh desktop or, for best performance, in full screen mode. A multiscan monitor that supports 640x480 and 800x600 resolution is required.

*** OrangePC NuBus 300 Series

The last NuBus PC compatibility cards were the 300 Series. The only version for which I could find a detailed specification is the OrangePC 340. It uses faster 486 or 5x86 processors, and has two 72 pin SIMM slots (officially, the maximum SIMM size was 32MB). New functionality that would appeal to games players was added. In addition to two serial ports and a parallel port, the cards acquired a SoundBlaster module with separate audio in/out connectors and a games controller port. The PCMCIA option from the 200 series was discontinued.

 

eraser

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Thanks Bunsen. I had forgot all about that site. A lot of the links are dead now but it at least gives me directions to start looking.

Wow, Charlieman ... that is some awesome info!

 

ajacocks

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Has anyone managed to track down the drivers for the OrangePC 290 card? I've been looking quite a bit, but I can't find anything.

Thanks!

- Alex

 
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