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Suitable fan for SE?

68kPlus

Well-known member
Hi everyone,

the fan in my SE is quite loud, and I am currently doing some fixups on it (recapping), and I was wondering what a suitable fan is for it.
I have the Elina fan in mine.
I'm not against soldering a new one in, although I'd prefer not to.

Any ideas?
Thanks,
68kPlus
 

Scott Baret

Well-known member
The Elina is actually the quieter of the two fans on later SE analogs; the other model used was a DC Pico Ace.
 

Phipli

Well-known member
Have you considered putting a drop of oil on the original fan? Picking a fan is quite tricky. The quoted flowrates are in open air and you need to pick one with an appropriate gradient on the fan curve at the operation point. Get it wrong and there isn't enough cooling, or the fan speed constantly changes... and other stuff.
 

68kPlus

Well-known member
Have you considered putting a drop of oil on the original fan? Picking a fan is quite tricky. The quoted flowrates are in open air and you need to pick one with an appropriate gradient on the fan curve at the operation point. Get it wrong and there isn't enough cooling, or the fan speed constantly changes... and other stuff.
Jeez. Who knew getting a simple fan was so difficult! I might just add some oil in at some point, like you said.
 

Burgertrench

Active member
I've been wondering the same and have seen the Noctua a6x25 flx recommend. I've got one sitting waiting to go in, hopefully will have it done in the next day or so. Original fan puts out about 40db noise from my measurements, while the Noctua is rated for about 20db, I'll see what the results are when it's done.
 

Breadymac

New member
+1 for a drop of oil - peel up the sticker and expose the bearing, one drop of sewing machine oil (or any light machine oil should be fine, musical instrument slide oil, triflow, even 3-in1 - just - don't use WD-40) did wonders for my SE/30's Elina fan. Was thinking of going the A6x25 Noctua route before but now it's how I remember it again.
 

rjkucia

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I put a Noctua in mine, not too difficult, but you do have to remove the analog board for it. It's quite a bit quieter, but I believe it also pushes less air than stock. Depending on your setup, that could be an issue, but as long as you're not leaving it on for a long time I can't imagine it'd be a problem.
 

LaPorta

Well-known member
To replace my SE fan, I just ordered new equivalent fans to what was already in there. Mine was shot: oil didn’t quiet it down.
 

rjkucia

Well-known member
It's a lower flow rate, JDW measured a bunch of fans in this video:

Honestly it's still a little noisy, the case echoes the sound so much that it didn't make as much of a difference as I had hoped. The HDD was a much bigger source of noise though, so disconnecting that was good enough for me.
 

Phipli

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Generally the best way to get a quieter fan at the same flow rate is to use a larger diameter fan because a lot of the noise from fans is aero and a larger diameter means you can have the same volumetric flow rate at a lower velocity, but that isn't really practical advice.

Things to try to quieten a mac fan include...
1) (as mentioned) oil the bearing
2) clean the blades (dirt/dust on the blades causes an imbalance that makes them louder)
3) clean the case inlet and outlets - reduced cross section increases the peak air velocity
4) replace with an identical new fan
5) replace with a similar or better new fan

5 is difficult - fans sold as "quiet" are generally designed for low back pressure use cases, and the quoted airflows represent unloaded performance, and the quoted backpressure represents the stall scenario. You can ballpark the performance by drawing a line between these points on a pressure / volumetric flow plot, but this doesn't account for the actual characteristic.

Most fans have sort of a... flat bit... in the middle of the curve. You need to avoid operating in that area because it causes significant speed variations with small changes in pressure (i.e. due to draughts or whatever in the room). This reduces efficiency, increases wear, increases noise... and is irritating. See "Normal Working Range". You want to be on the steep gradient.

Typical-Normalised-Curve-For-An-Axial-Fan.jpg

Most Noctua fans are not designed for this type of use case.

I strongly recomend maintenance or like for like replacement. But I shouldn't really be commenting because someone always has a go at me whenever I mention fans.
 
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rjkucia

Well-known member
You're completely right - overall I don't think the Noctua replacement is worth it. I swear by them in my modern builds, but for something like the SE it's not a good choice.

All that said, I'm not sure what the specific thermal concerns are with the compact Macs. Do specific components put out a lot of heat? Is it more that the overall temperature in the case rises, and things like solder joints get soft? If we wanted to get creative, we might be able to come up with an improved thermal solution, such as a larger fan inside the case blowing at specific parts, or a fan attached to a thermal probe that spins up based on temperature.
 

Burgertrench

Active member
I've just changed my SE/30 over to the Noctua. Using an SPL meter placed just in front of the Mac, the old Elina fan produced 49dB, while the Noctua has dropped it to 42dB. It's not just quieter, it's also a more pleasant white noise, rather than the more mechanical noise of the old fan.
During install I had both fans running at one point, and during a very un-scientific test of putting my face in front of them, both felt to be pushing a very similar amount of air.
Another benefit is that the Noctua included a Molex adaptor with pass through to run from the hard drive power supply. I snipped the power cables from the old fan and attached them to a terminal block, which I neatly fixed to one of the push pin holes between the fan and power supply using two cable ties. Now I have easy access to a 12v 55ma power supply for future mods.
 
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