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Solar Powered Mac/PC Laptop?

Cory5412

Daring Pioneer of the Future
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I am not disputing what is advertised and what others experienced with their battery powered systems, but personally I never met a machine that lived up to those claims. The key word you hit upon, Cory5412 - "Light-Usage."
"Heavy Use" on an iBook (or even a MacBook Pro from, say, 2009) is literally nothing to a current low end MacBook Air, and the 17h estimations are with Pages and Safari open. If you restrict yourself to Apple's applications (or other heavily Mac-friendly apps), you'll get really good battery life on it because OS X is just really great at managing energy.

Plus, if you drive the MacBook Air really hard, you should still get over five hours out of it. Like, completely full load on the GPU and CPU and full brightness for five hours is still impressive. It's not "the advertised" but also, if you're driving a computer at full-bore all the time, the MacBook Air was the wrong computer to get from the start, and unfortunately, running it off of its own internal battery for very long was never going to happen.

Fortunately for those of us more or less within the band of MacBook Air users, in the course of fifteen years since the original iBook came out in 1999, battery technology has changed a lot and charging batteries "correctly" on Macs, iPads, most tablets, and some premium Windows devices (Microsoft's in particular) matters a lot less than it did previously.

Also, (again, what TheWhiteFalcon said) solid state media, better screen technology, better wireless technology, and a whole list of things mean that today's mobile computers are just more power efficient to begin with.

AnandTech's MacBook Air battery testing: http://www.anandtech.com/show/7180/apple-macbook-air-11-2013-review/2

I haven't found a formalized review of the two cheapest long-battery Windows computers you can buy today, the aforementioned HP Stream 11 and Asus X205, but they're so inexpensive I am close to just buying one myself to see what they're like. The dual- and quad-core Intel Atom chips used in these machines are extremely impressive compared to the netbooks of yore, and we're so very close to the point where $200 machines have the same specs and are as fast as my $3000-or-so notebook from 2009.

Battery life is one of those interesting things where there's different strategies to it. Apple's has (for a few years, at leat) been based around efficiency, and if you showed the me of 1999 an 11- or 13-inch MacBook Air and told me about it, I would almost certainly not have believed it. (Though, maybe somebody who was slightly older than I was in 1999 would have been able to extrapolate that as a possibility. The original iBook completely blew my mind because up to that point, laptops weren't something that often got talked about for their really impressive battery life.)

I have on occasion written academic essays on that eMate. It has the keyboard, crucially, and it's possible to add auto-text functionality and a few other "extras" to NewtonWorks, making this setup surprisingly pleasant to use in a self-denyingly acetic sort of way.
For a while, I was using an IBM WorkPad Z50 as my main note-taking and writing computer, after my main ThinkPad's battery had totally kicked it, just after I got the iPad but became unimpressed with it for just a few reasons, but before I dove all the way back in with OneNote on my ThinkPad when I got it a new battery.

My favorite part was probably saving formatted RTF files onto CF cards and plugging them into my modern ThinkPad, opening them in Word or WordPad, and then still being able to bring them back to the Z50 if need be.

Now and again I consider dragging it out once more.

Yes, the English language is essentially the same as it was when these Macs (and the eMate) were current, and will probably remain quite so,
That makes literally no sense. I could write German or Italian on my WorkPad (or on an Apple II) and it would do so as well as when it was new. Until we switch to different characters, or the differences in language and other things that do exist (like, new currency symbols in some localities) become a big problem, text processing will always be one of those things that "works the way it did when it was new." -- This isn't really what this thread is about, but for the oldest of computer systems that's both a blessing and a curse.

The issue isn't ever that "oh noes, English is different!" The issue is almost always that file formats are different or a networked operating system is woefully insecure or that (in the case of OpenSTEP) even with networking there's almost nothing on the system that'll produce files compatible with anything else.

To continue my thought from my quote of beachycove's text -- while a newton or workpad is perfectly capable of accepting English text as input (presuming you're okay adding to their spell-checker dictionaries,simply turning off editing tools, or using a plain text editor) I personally question whether or not it's still the best tool for the job, or maybe more importantly, whether or not it should be used for those tasks, just because it can.

For me personally: The main reason I don't drag out my Z50 is because why should I bother with RTF files on a CF card when I can just use my Surface RT, and save DOCX files directly to my local SharePoint server, sync up my OneNote notebook, and if need be, check my e-mail on it. It lasts around 8-10 hours on an average day and for what a Surface RT is even capable of (Office, Internet Explorer, and tablet apps) that's all the more time I need. The battery cover for the Surface 2 approximately doubles that life, in case I was in super adventure mode, but I'm not often.

So, I guess it depends on if you're lookign for the experience of employing a certain technology, regardless of what affects that has on your productivity or workflow, or just getting stuff done in the coffee shop.

That said, I think a lot of people think that these concepts are worth looking at combining, and so the Hemingwrite exists: http://hemingwrite.com/ -- if you're just writing, it gets a few weeks of battery life, has an outdoor-usable screen, and synchronizes with dropbox, evernote, google drive, or whatever.

 
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TheWhiteFalcon

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To go from the right to the left took a little time, but once we got there, then they could work on batteries. :)

 

Bunsen

Admin-Witchfinder-General
The less power the device consumes, the less money you have to lay out on solar panels.  Seeing how expensive panels are, it's worth optimizing the device.  If you want a full computing environment and OS X, the Air is almost certainly your best bet.

There are commercially available solar kits (with/without external batteries) which are rated to run/charge MacBooks/MacBook Pros:  I forget the name of the company/ies selling them, but I'm hunting up that information for myself, so I'll repost it here.

That Hemingwrite is hella neat, Cory5412.  Hope it launches at a reasonable price.

Along similar lines, if you just need a machine for writing or limited computing, one could look at a number of vintage systems: Amstrad NC-100 Notepad, Cambridge z88, Tandy TRS-80 Model 100, Psion 5MX, Apple eMate, Alphasmart Dana.

 
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Cory5412

Daring Pioneer of the Future
Staff member
I wanted to follow up on this, because I stated at least twice in this thread that the Asus X205ma is powered by Micro USB. I was looking at the product's web page and it looks more like it's a square, reversible connector, not necessarily Micro USB. My apologies for that confusion. I have yet to see a formalized review of the Asus X205ma, which is now available at Best Buy and the Microsoft Store for $180, minus the benefit of the Office365 subscription. It looks like it may be available at Staples for $99 on Black Friday.

It would also appear I was wrong about the Stream 11 charger, meaning the Asus T100 is probably the closest you're going to come at this exact moment to a "full computer" that's charged via Micro USB.

 

Elfen

Well-known member
No confusion at all, Cory. All this information input you guys are giving is great.

For me, I find that China and then Canada, have the cheapest and better solar panels with Canada having the better quality but for a higher price. I remember somewhere years ago that China is doing a lot of solar power research and putting it into market. At the time they were developing a paint where you just spray or brush on the silicon onto a metal surface that is your ground and then add a wire mess to the top and you would get a huge custom sized solar panel after it dries. Though this was years ago, I wonder if they ever finished it. It would be damn funny to paint the lid of a Mac Book and turn it into a solar panel! I have gotten some cheap solar panels from Chinese Ebay Sellers that goes for 10X as much in the USA.

Then again, I have gotten many things from Chinese Ebay sellers at 1/10th the cost; many places in NYC, especially Radio Shack, think that they hold an exclusive market on certain things. F-that! I'll go to ebay unless I am really desperate for a part to get it from Radio Shack!

 
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