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Schmeaux's present stuff and future conquests...
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Schmoburger
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Hmmm possibly... I do note that the second one with the shadow doesnt make the same "thud" when the hard power switch is flicked on like the other one and just about every other AIO type Mac seems too when hard power is turned on.
Anyway, I'm going to set about cleaning these two animals up and see if I can scrounge a hard disk from somewhere in my stack and make some 7.1 floppies.
techknight
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that "thud" is the degaussing circuitry kicking in.
If that one isnt doing that, then look at the relay, degauss coil connector, and especially the thermistor and their solder joints.
Otherwise, if you have a big solder trigger style gun, you can use it to wave around and demagnetize the CRT.
If that one isnt doing that, then look at the relay, degauss coil connector, and especially the thermistor and their solder joints.
Otherwise, if you have a big solder trigger style gun, you can use it to wave around and demagnetize the CRT.
Schmoburger
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Yep definitely seems like it's not doing it's thang... from memory I can't ever recall hearing the degaussing "thunk" when powering this CC on, yet all my 5xx-series and the other CC do it, and all are free of screen anomolies. Where would I be looking for the componentry of which you speak? Presumably the degausse coil is the thick thing around the screen that connects by a two-pin plug onto the A-board?
Unrelated to that specific issue, I now have one fully functioning Color Classic (the grubby looking one) after switching the 160Mb drive out of the SE and doing a whooooooole lot of stuffing around to the point where I ended up making a universal boot floppy copied from my OEM LCIII disks and a bunch of enablers off my personal info.apple dump, plugged the drive into the IIvx and booted off a floppy to copy the 402 enabler to the 7.1 install on the hard disk destined for the Color Classic... the IIvx was proably an unneccesry step in the process except that I thought the CC's floppy drive was dead, until I worked out that it was actually my first boot floppy that was a dud when it failed to boot the IIvx as well.
Anyway, long story short it now works and boots off a HDD fine, floppy works fine, and I am about to give it a thorough cleanup now.
The cleaner of the CC's is partly in pieces until I find another HDD for it and clean the gargantuan amounts of dust out of the FDD and off the A-board.
Unrelated to that specific issue, I now have one fully functioning Color Classic (the grubby looking one) after switching the 160Mb drive out of the SE and doing a whooooooole lot of stuffing around to the point where I ended up making a universal boot floppy copied from my OEM LCIII disks and a bunch of enablers off my personal info.apple dump, plugged the drive into the IIvx and booted off a floppy to copy the 402 enabler to the 7.1 install on the hard disk destined for the Color Classic... the IIvx was proably an unneccesry step in the process except that I thought the CC's floppy drive was dead, until I worked out that it was actually my first boot floppy that was a dud when it failed to boot the IIvx as well.
Anyway, long story short it now works and boots off a HDD fine, floppy works fine, and I am about to give it a thorough cleanup now.
The cleaner of the CC's is partly in pieces until I find another HDD for it and clean the gargantuan amounts of dust out of the FDD and off the A-board.
Schmoburger
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And we have one more clean, perfectly functional Color Classic back in the world again after a solid night's work... This is the same machine that looked like it was pulled from a septic tank just yesterday.
I ended up putting the better board out of the other machine into this, whilst carrying over the VRAM upgrade SIMM from the old board, meaning 16-bit colour for days. The 160Mb drive I tossed into my SE when the Miniscribe passed away got pulled back out and put into this where System 7.1 and that kind of capacity are a little more useful (as I want to put an Miniscribe or early Prodrive back into the SE anyway for authenticity). I also pulled a PDS ethernet card out of the cupboard and rehomed it inside the CC as well so might be able to get some rudimentary web connectivity just for funzies later down the track.
As it stands I'm having a phenomenally difficult time removing the hard drive from the other CC as every single pair of my longnose pliers has gone walkabouts. :-/ This is actually the reason why I ended up just assembling the filthy one as the first runner of the two... I had already removed the hard drive years ago and I had that hard drive still sitting round sled and all, so I simply swapped the sled onto the good drive and slid it in In any case the one with the faulty degauss is also full of dust... quite likely 18 years worth of it... So I will be giving it a thorough cleanup before I think about powering it on again.
I ended up putting the better board out of the other machine into this, whilst carrying over the VRAM upgrade SIMM from the old board, meaning 16-bit colour for days.
The 160Mb drive I tossed into my SE when the Miniscribe passed away got pulled back out and put into this where System 7.1 and that kind of capacity are a little more useful (as I want to put an Miniscribe or early Prodrive back into the SE anyway for authenticity). I also pulled a PDS ethernet card out of the cupboard and rehomed it inside the CC as well so might be able to get some rudimentary web connectivity just for funzies later down the track. As it stands I'm having a phenomenally difficult time removing the hard drive from the other CC as every single pair of my longnose pliers has gone walkabouts. :-/ This is actually the reason why I ended up just assembling the filthy one as the first runner of the two... I had already removed the hard drive years ago and I had that hard drive still sitting round sled and all, so I simply swapped the sled onto the good drive and slid it in
In any case the one with the faulty degauss is also full of dust... quite likely 18 years worth of it... So I will be giving it a thorough cleanup before I think about powering it on again.
Schmoburger
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Tonights job...
Schmoburger
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Tonight's project was to get the CC playing nice over Ethernet, which then turned into installing and setting up MacTCP and finally after some degree of fiddling and tweaking setting, culminated in this...
I am a little excited by the fact I have a 16Mhz Mac connected directly to high speed broadband and browsing the web in some rudimentary form. I was also equally chuffed to find out the original Mosaic/Netscape page is still up after 22 years, making it an ideal candidate as the first web page to hit up on a 10" trinitron.
I am a little excited by the fact I have a 16Mhz Mac connected directly to high speed broadband and browsing the web in some rudimentary form. I was also equally chuffed to find out the original Mosaic/Netscape page is still up after 22 years, making it an ideal candidate as the first web page to hit up on a 10" trinitron.
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techknight
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look at those million psychedelic colors. lol. And the new P6 chip.
Hotdog Zanzibar
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TheWhiteFalcon
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It is, most devices these days are RISC. They're just not POWER.
Schmoburger
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Latest addition to my towers of power collection... a sad and lonely, long forgotten Sawtooth 400. Quick PMU reset and it runs like clockwork.
I havent decided what to do with it just yet, I'm sure it will get put to some good use soon enough though.
I havent decided what to do with it just yet, I'm sure it will get put to some good use soon enough though.
macman142
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Cool thread, I'll be keeping an eye on this one every now and then.
I like the idea of keeping a running 'conquest' thread. Add to it as you inherit/purchase or otherwise discover things. Might do one myself.
Quite jealous of the Colour Classics. I have a couple myself but they all need some work. It's nice to see a Quicktime sticker on one of them still too.
I like the idea of keeping a running 'conquest' thread. Add to it as you inherit/purchase or otherwise discover things. Might do one myself.
Quite jealous of the Colour Classics. I have a couple myself but they all need some work. It's nice to see a Quicktime sticker on one of them still too.
Schmoburger
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Cheers mate! Yeh the CC with the QT sticker was owned by my godmother since it was brand new... got handed down in the early 2000's with a bunch of things. Still have the warranty papers, manual and some software somewhere or another too The other CC that I restored was my sisters and was surplus from a high school... dad picked it up for about $30 in 2000 for my sister and I ended up with it after she outgrew it and I built her a 7500.
Whilst I am back on this thread, it's worth mentioning that I cracked open the 9600 again last night and swapped some cards round and reinstalled the T2000, this time in the 2nd slot from the bottom as was advised by somebody on the forum here (apparantly there it is explicitly instructed by the manufacturer that this is the only slot it is to be installed in if it is to operate correctly), and it does now seem to operate without any conflicts, and without killing the lower 3 PCI slots as it had done when I removed it. It no longer causes freezes when the ethernet cable is unplugged or messes with the serial ports as it sporadically did in the 3rd slot up, and now shows a full array of modes in the screen colour and resolution control strip modules for the Targa video output as well as the screen mirroring module etc. I'm yet to plug in another display to see if it operates as a second display and hook something up to the RCA breakout to see if the input works correctly... that is a job for another day.
Yeh the CC with the QT sticker was owned by my godmother since it was brand new... got handed down in the early 2000's with a bunch of things. Still have the warranty papers, manual and some software somewhere or another too The other CC that I restored was my sisters and was surplus from a high school... dad picked it up for about $30 in 2000 for my sister and I ended up with it after she outgrew it and I built her a 7500. Whilst I am back on this thread, it's worth mentioning that I cracked open the 9600 again last night and swapped some cards round and reinstalled the T2000, this time in the 2nd slot from the bottom as was advised by somebody on the forum here (apparantly there it is explicitly instructed by the manufacturer that this is the only slot it is to be installed in if it is to operate correctly), and it does now seem to operate without any conflicts, and without killing the lower 3 PCI slots as it had done when I removed it. It no longer causes freezes when the ethernet cable is unplugged or messes with the serial ports as it sporadically did in the 3rd slot up, and now shows a full array of modes in the screen colour and resolution control strip modules for the Targa video output as well as the screen mirroring module etc. I'm yet to plug in another display to see if it operates as a second display and hook something up to the RCA breakout to see if the input works correctly... that is a job for another day.
olePigeon
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lt's not just the chip, it has a PCl bus.Yeah, I hear RISC technology is the wave of the future...
macman142
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I reckon I would have got my Colour Classic in 2000 too. Picked it up for free from my local library when they upgraded to a Windows PC for the 'word processing' room, haha.
Mine came with all the manuals, discs and stickers. My goodness, those were the days!
I guess that's why we collect and hoard these things, with such fond memories of times gone by. Makes me more enthusiastic for my 'ultimate Colour Classic setup' with AppleDesign speakers, colour StyleWriter.
I've dug out a 9600 CD bezel, just one though - if it's useful to you for the cost of post?
Mine came with all the manuals, discs and stickers. My goodness, those were the days!
I guess that's why we collect and hoard these things, with such fond memories of times gone by. Makes me more enthusiastic for my 'ultimate Colour Classic setup' with AppleDesign speakers, colour StyleWriter.
I've dug out a 9600 CD bezel, just one though - if it's useful to you for the cost of post?
Schmoburger
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Inboxed you about bezel macman! Definitely an improvement over the lack of bezel I currently have hahah
And yeh I really do enjoy using the CC... it is an absolute slug even by 68k standards, but it is small, functional and user friendly. I used to use my sisters one (which is my currently working one now) a lot just because something about using a 10" AIO functionally 10 years after it was made was just really.... nice.
Definitely an improvement over the lack of bezel I currently have hahahAnd yeh I really do enjoy using the CC... it is an absolute slug even by 68k standards, but it is small, functional and user friendly. I used to use my sisters one (which is my currently working one now) a lot just because something about using a 10" AIO functionally 10 years after it was made was just really.... nice.
Schmoburger
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So this thread has been going for a while now and as yet my 9600 hasn't made an appearance, so I figure seeing as though I just reshuffled things and put it in a more permanent spot on the desk of power, it would be fitting to give it the introduction it is deserving of.
So here it is, one PM 9600/200MP...
I wanted one as a young whippersnapper (and was also fully aware it wasnt happening anytime soon), and have wanted one ever since and well, not all that long ago, one happened to come up for sale about 250km away and for the price I simply had to have it... I also obtained the IIvx earlier in the thread as part of this package deal and well, having spent the better part of the evening playing Mac's with the fellow who had multitudes of things which he was quite happy to part with, I ended up gladly shelling over about $150 (give or take) which saw my car piled with a working IIvx, a IIsi needing a PSU, a bunch of cables, and the most important thing the 9600, as well as a full boxed Targa2000 capture card, a Crescendo G3/400-1M card, some RAM, a 64Mb R7000 PCI, and a spare almost new 9600 logic board... and probably some other things I may have forgotten to mention. I was more than happy at having hauled some priceless things, and made a new friend and valuable contact, so it was well worth the 500km round-trip.
Currently this now has the G3/400 Crescendo card installed, runs 512Mb of RAM in an interleaved config and with some slots spare still, PCI bus completely filled with the TT128 stock graphics card (probably the only stock part left as it is picky about graphics cards), an Ultra SCSI card, USB-Firewire Combo card, a 4-port USB card ( I beleive this is 2.0 and only usable in OSX... which is possible as XPostFacto is installed), a 10/100Mb ethernet card, and that awsome beast of a T2000 card which aside from it's primary purpose as a capture device also allows dual-display functionality in either split or mirrored mode at a resolution up to 1152... I tried it out and it does the dual screen thing nicely. There is an 8x CD-R drive in it also and a 10Gb, 8Gb and miserly little 1.5Gb HDD under the lid, and it runs OS9.2 via the helper utility as well as being able to boot OSX 10.2 with XPostFacto (which I currently cant do due to a broken install and I may not fix it as there is no reason to run it with OSX aside from bragging rights).
In any case it is a great secondary daily driver and a fantastic support machine for my 68k and early PowerMac collection, especially as far as making the network functionality of the CC truely useful as I can download things quickly from the comfort of the G5, scoot them over the to the 9600, then simply connect via Appleshare and grab what I need off the 9600, which aside from serving as a repository for anything useful to really vintage Macs, I have also started using to store backups of all my remaining working hard drives in my vintage machines so I do not lose anymore viable system folders or software that is hard to get. It really has become one of my most useful conquests to date, and I can still browse most of the web with it, even if it is a tad sluggish compared to it's younger brother across the desk.
So, there you have it!
So here it is, one PM 9600/200MP...
I wanted one as a young whippersnapper (and was also fully aware it wasnt happening anytime soon), and have wanted one ever since and well, not all that long ago, one happened to come up for sale about 250km away and for the price I simply had to have it... I also obtained the IIvx earlier in the thread as part of this package deal and well, having spent the better part of the evening playing Mac's with the fellow who had multitudes of things which he was quite happy to part with, I ended up gladly shelling over about $150 (give or take) which saw my car piled with a working IIvx, a IIsi needing a PSU, a bunch of cables, and the most important thing the 9600, as well as a full boxed Targa2000 capture card, a Crescendo G3/400-1M card, some RAM, a 64Mb R7000 PCI, and a spare almost new 9600 logic board... and probably some other things I may have forgotten to mention. I was more than happy at having hauled some priceless things, and made a new friend and valuable contact, so it was well worth the 500km round-trip.
Currently this now has the G3/400 Crescendo card installed, runs 512Mb of RAM in an interleaved config and with some slots spare still, PCI bus completely filled with the TT128 stock graphics card (probably the only stock part left as it is picky about graphics cards), an Ultra SCSI card, USB-Firewire Combo card, a 4-port USB card ( I beleive this is 2.0 and only usable in OSX... which is possible as XPostFacto is installed), a 10/100Mb ethernet card, and that awsome beast of a T2000 card which aside from it's primary purpose as a capture device also allows dual-display functionality in either split or mirrored mode at a resolution up to 1152... I tried it out and it does the dual screen thing nicely.
There is an 8x CD-R drive in it also and a 10Gb, 8Gb and miserly little 1.5Gb HDD under the lid, and it runs OS9.2 via the helper utility as well as being able to boot OSX 10.2 with XPostFacto (which I currently cant do due to a broken install and I may not fix it as there is no reason to run it with OSX aside from bragging rights).In any case it is a great secondary daily driver and a fantastic support machine for my 68k and early PowerMac collection, especially as far as making the network functionality of the CC truely useful as I can download things quickly from the comfort of the G5, scoot them over the to the 9600, then simply connect via Appleshare and grab what I need off the 9600, which aside from serving as a repository for anything useful to really vintage Macs, I have also started using to store backups of all my remaining working hard drives in my vintage machines so I do not lose anymore viable system folders or software that is hard to get.
It really has become one of my most useful conquests to date, and I can still browse most of the web with it, even if it is a tad sluggish compared to it's younger brother across the desk. So, there you have it!
Schmoburger
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I've neglected this thread for a bit, however that isnt to say things havent been happening. :
For one, I recently added a Sawtooth G4 to the tower of power collection... It's very stock, a little dirty, and has a couple of broken case latches but it worked like a charm after a PMU reset so no worries. It is missing the correct AGP graphics card, so I was limping it along on my stuffed PCI Rage128 card that is artefacted but works in everything. I will try and source a stock card or a later AGP Powermac graphics card for it soon enough.
It is a stock as a rock 400Mhz model, 128Mb of RAM, original 10Gb HDD, and has Panther on it that actually runs quite respectably with the minimal amount of RAM. I am not entirely certain what use this will be put to yet... I have no real use for it at this stage (or any of my earlier NW machines for that matter), but it's nice to have.
For one, I recently added a Sawtooth G4 to the tower of power collection... It's very stock, a little dirty, and has a couple of broken case latches but it worked like a charm after a PMU reset so no worries.
It is missing the correct AGP graphics card, so I was limping it along on my stuffed PCI Rage128 card that is artefacted but works in everything. I will try and source a stock card or a later AGP Powermac graphics card for it soon enough.
It is a stock as a rock 400Mhz model, 128Mb of RAM, original 10Gb HDD, and has Panther on it that actually runs quite respectably with the minimal amount of RAM. I am not entirely certain what use this will be put to yet... I have no real use for it at this stage (or any of my earlier NW machines for that matter), but it's nice to have.
Schmoburger
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So as you probably know I intended to delve into the cave and retreive some more treasures, bats and spiders some time back but didnt know where to start... well I found the motivation, and as there were a few machines that seemed to tickle everyones fancy I used them as a starting point on my expedition. So the latest animals to make the move over to Batcave MkII are a quite loaded IIci, a rather mint condition ROM03 IIgs, and of most interest, the 5500/250 Directors Edition "Black Mac"....
Most of you would be familiar with the 5400 DE, and the 5500/275DE as they were sold in various markets around the world, however the 5500/250DE seems to cause a fair bit of headscratching among many afficionados as it was a model that was basically unique to the Australian market... most will tell you it doesnt exist until they see it in the flesh! lol
Anyway, this machine came to me in mint condition about 10 years ago, and even then they were not cheap and were sought after... I was lucky to have had it given to me. Unfortunately now, some monkey has interfered with my old batcave and managed to damage the case grilles, and the spindleresque plastics mean that I accidentally snagged one of the rear cover tabs on a shoe rack bringing the machine indoors and snapped that off too. I will at some stage likely attempt a repair of the damaged top by cutting a section of the grill from a dead 5260 I have lying around and grafting it in place then painting it to match the rest of the machine.
Now unfortunately, the rubbish 4.5V Rayovac battery has leaked (which I half expected) and it had caused some corrosion on the board. and on the fingers of the comm slot ethernet card... the more fortunate bit though is that a good toothbrushing removed most of the corrosion to reveal the circuit traces and chip legs largely intact, and indeed the machine did boot to the desktop best I can tell?
"Best I can tell?"
Yep... it will not display video, in fact it appears to not power up the CRT at all. This in all honesty is unsurprising as 5xxx machines are no stranger to flyback circuit failures. This being said, there is nothing saying that the logic board itself is not at fault and simply failing to tell the display to power on. the only way I will know for sure is try the board in one of my beige 5500's (assuming they still work) and rule it out. In any case the board will need at the very least a thorough wash and quite likely some other attention down the track due to the battery issue and will eventually require a recap anyway.
Most of you would be familiar with the 5400 DE, and the 5500/275DE as they were sold in various markets around the world, however the 5500/250DE seems to cause a fair bit of headscratching among many afficionados as it was a model that was basically unique to the Australian market... most will tell you it doesnt exist until they see it in the flesh! lol
Anyway, this machine came to me in mint condition about 10 years ago, and even then they were not cheap and were sought after... I was lucky to have had it given to me. Unfortunately now, some monkey has interfered with my old batcave and managed to damage the case grilles, and the spindleresque plastics mean that I accidentally snagged one of the rear cover tabs on a shoe rack bringing the machine indoors and snapped that off too. I will at some stage likely attempt a repair of the damaged top by cutting a section of the grill from a dead 5260 I have lying around and grafting it in place then painting it to match the rest of the machine.
Now unfortunately, the rubbish 4.5V Rayovac battery has leaked (which I half expected) and it had caused some corrosion on the board. and on the fingers of the comm slot ethernet card... the more fortunate bit though is that a good toothbrushing removed most of the corrosion to reveal the circuit traces and chip legs largely intact, and indeed the machine did boot to the desktop best I can tell?
"Best I can tell?"
Yep... it will not display video, in fact it appears to not power up the CRT at all. This in all honesty is unsurprising as 5xxx machines are no stranger to flyback circuit failures. This being said, there is nothing saying that the logic board itself is not at fault and simply failing to tell the display to power on. the only way I will know for sure is try the board in one of my beige 5500's (assuming they still work) and rule it out. In any case the board will need at the very least a thorough wash and quite likely some other attention down the track due to the battery issue and will eventually require a recap anyway.
Schmoburger
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Next one looking sharp after a quick spruce up is the ROM03 IIgs... In all honesty I only ever really used this once and then put it away in a dark place as it was in such good nick.
One thing I love about this machine (and a few others from the era) is the silkscreened monograph on the front of the PSU housing you can see in the open picture. The ROM03 IIgs in general is just a really pretty, well-made, "finished"-looking machine IMO, with all traces of it's IIe ancestry wiped clean. It really just does reek of good quality and good design. I actually sometimes wonder what these machines could have become had history taken a different turn and had the gs and the hardware and software supporting it continued to be developed.
At the time this was procured I really only had Apple II software available and no gsOS stuff, so the ROM00 "Woz" machine with the 256k memory upgrade was ample and realistically ideal, so there really was no reason to ever play with this. Nowadays I would like to get myself some gsOS disks and have a play with it... that being said, this is one of a trio of gs's I own, being this one, the ROM00 "Woz" Limited Edition, and another which I beleive to be a ROM01 and in decidedly poorer condition than the other two but was still functional... I basically kept this last one as a parts hack for the "Woz" if it ever broke, but I may just start toying with it as a hack to play with both dedicated gs and II stuff, as it takes up far less space than my IIe and it's gargantuan display, and is fully functional as a gs unlike the "Woz" (assuming it is indeed an 01 which I beleive it to be as the boards are decidedly different between them).
One thing I love about this machine (and a few others from the era) is the silkscreened monograph on the front of the PSU housing you can see in the open picture. The ROM03 IIgs in general is just a really pretty, well-made, "finished"-looking machine IMO, with all traces of it's IIe ancestry wiped clean. It really just does reek of good quality and good design. I actually sometimes wonder what these machines could have become had history taken a different turn and had the gs and the hardware and software supporting it continued to be developed.
At the time this was procured I really only had Apple II software available and no gsOS stuff, so the ROM00 "Woz" machine with the 256k memory upgrade was ample and realistically ideal, so there really was no reason to ever play with this. Nowadays I would like to get myself some gsOS disks and have a play with it... that being said, this is one of a trio of gs's I own, being this one, the ROM00 "Woz" Limited Edition, and another which I beleive to be a ROM01 and in decidedly poorer condition than the other two but was still functional... I basically kept this last one as a parts hack for the "Woz" if it ever broke, but I may just start toying with it as a hack to play with both dedicated gs and II stuff, as it takes up far less space than my IIe and it's gargantuan display, and is fully functional as a gs unlike the "Woz" (assuming it is indeed an 01 which I beleive it to be as the boards are decidedly different between them).
