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Problems with new IDE/PATA Drive

Iamanamma

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I bought a new "white label" IDE/PATA drive to add to a Sawtooth G4 I am attempting to beef up.  Can someone relieve me from my woeful ignorance as to what the labels mean on this thing?  16 heads?  32GB clip?  I tried the cable select setting for both the "16 heads" diagram and the "32GB Clip" diagram, and the G4 wouldn't recognize the drive either time.  I know the G4's ATA bus works, I have had two HDs in there successfully, but I want to replace the one that is only 6GB.  Attached is a picture of the label on the drive.  Are there any settings I should ignore?  I've not seen "Forcing Dev1 present" before, what does that mean?

IDE:PATA.JPG

 

EvilCapitalist

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If the machine recognizes the drive the most you'd be able to use without a separate PCI IDE card is 128GB. 

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT2544

You'll want to use the "16 heads" jumper settings and set it as Master if it's on the bus alone, or Slave if it's sharing the bus with your optical drive (assuming that is set as Master).   The 32GB clip jumper settings likely do exactly what it says and limits the drive to 32GB of space. 

 

Iamanamma

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Update:  I found a combination that works.  I had to find a spare jumper and set the primary drive in the G4 to "master" and the new drive to "slave" (16 heads line).  When I left the original HD (Quantum Fireball) with its default setting of no jumpers and installed the "slave," the original HD wouldn't boot. Yet, if I had another older HD in there (I tried both a Seagate and a Western Digital) with no jumpers set, it would boot right up.  It appears this "white label" drive NEEDS to know who's boss and will completely jam the startup process if it hasn't been told.  Still, I would sure like to know what all those labels mean!

 

Iamanamma

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You'll want to use the "16 heads" jumper settings and set it as Master if it's on the bus alone, or Slave if it's sharing the bus with your optical drive (assuming that is set as Master).   The 32GB clip jumper settings likely do exactly what it says and limits the drive to 32GB of spac
Thanks for telling me what that means.  My optical drive (you mean the DVD-ROM, right?) is on another ATA Bus.  I knew about the 128GB limit, but if I have 2 drives in there with 128GB of storage, it's a whole lot better than one.

 

Iamanamma

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Perhaps your problem has mostly to do with cable select...  

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_ATA#Cable_select
Yes, that does appear to have been part of the problem.  I have never had a problem using cable select on both drives IF the pair came out of old G3 Power Macs..  It's when I bought new drives off the internet that I had to really start paying attention to Master/slave settings and messing with jumpers.   

 
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