DracheMitch
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What's the pin connector that looks like a floppy connector on the Whisper Perch card for?
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Pin slot on G3 Whisper Perch?
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Is it labeled "AIO", and are there maybe two of them, one larger and one smaller?
If so, I believe that may be for the G3 All-In-One.
Here's from the service guide (IA PDF viewer mode link):
Looks like the larger white connector without clips at the top of the card is to run audio controls and headphone jacks on the front panel, while the graphics itself plugs into a smaller black connector with retention clips in the middle of the card.
I suppose it makes sense to handle the AIO this way. The AIO is, fundamentally, a multiple scan 15 display strapped to the top of a G3 desktop with a combined plastic casing and adapted power supply. In that sense, "all in one" is, itself, a "personality".
The AIOs were available with Wings a/v cards as well but I suspect no Bordeaux cards (Wings + DVD decoder) were built for it. On a Wings card, there's probably also a DAV slot which will be a second larger connector for potential. This page shows a wings card with both DAV and the front panel connectors next to each other.
This is tangential but I don't remember off hand if the DAV port is the same one the 6400/6500 and 8500/8600 would have featured, which would have allowed the use of the Avid Cinema card or other things like it. (the dev note would tell.)
If so, I believe that may be for the G3 All-In-One.
Here's from the service guide (IA PDF viewer mode link):
Looks like the larger white connector without clips at the top of the card is to run audio controls and headphone jacks on the front panel, while the graphics itself plugs into a smaller black connector with retention clips in the middle of the card.
I suppose it makes sense to handle the AIO this way. The AIO is, fundamentally, a multiple scan 15 display strapped to the top of a G3 desktop with a combined plastic casing and adapted power supply. In that sense, "all in one" is, itself, a "personality".
The AIOs were available with Wings a/v cards as well but I suspect no Bordeaux cards (Wings + DVD decoder) were built for it. On a Wings card, there's probably also a DAV slot which will be a second larger connector for potential. This page shows a wings card with both DAV and the front panel connectors next to each other.
This is tangential but I don't remember off hand if the DAV port is the same one the 6400/6500 and 8500/8600 would have featured, which would have allowed the use of the Avid Cinema card or other things like it. (the dev note would tell.)
DracheMitch
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Fizzbinn
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I think what you’ve circled is a 26 pin connector for some sort of audio out/control cable that went unused. I seem to recall reading somewhere that the initial beige G3s logical board setup was originally intended for mid range use, just a guess but maybe some models were envisioned with case front audio out/av/infrared/power controls?
Based on the cards I have the actual audio only personality card used in a G3 AIO had a 40-pin audio out/control connector and a 10-pin video out connector, labeled as ”AIO” and “AIO Video” respectively.
At first the AV “wings” versions added a 34-pin DAV connector that could interface with another expansion card (similar to or the same as the 34-pin connector on the AV card introduced for the LC/Performa 63x series) but later versions had a 60-pin DAV connector for the same purpose (similar or the same as the 60-pin connect on the AV card introduced for the 5500/6500)
It would be neat if there was a definitive guide to the various beige G3 personality cards (maybe there is!?). I’ll take some pictures of the three I have.
Based on the cards I have the actual audio only personality card used in a G3 AIO had a 40-pin audio out/control connector and a 10-pin video out connector, labeled as ”AIO” and “AIO Video” respectively.
At first the AV “wings” versions added a 34-pin DAV connector that could interface with another expansion card (similar to or the same as the 34-pin connector on the AV card introduced for the LC/Performa 63x series) but later versions had a 60-pin DAV connector for the same purpose (similar or the same as the 60-pin connect on the AV card introduced for the 5500/6500)
It would be neat if there was a definitive guide to the various beige G3 personality cards (maybe there is!?). I’ll take some pictures of the three I have.
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Fizzbinn
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Looking at my cards, I was wrong, both version of the wings cards I have use the 60-pin DAV connector.
Here's a summary based on the cards I have and @DracheMitch's:
Whisper 1 - 1997 - 820-0922-A
External audio in and out
Internal 26 pin connector (front panel? never used)
@DracheMitch pic above.
Whisper 2 - 1997,1998 - 820-0972-A
External audio in and out
Internal 40 pin connector "AIO" (AIO front panel)
Internal 10 pin locking connector "AIO Video" (AIO monitor)
Wings 1 - 1997 - 820-0923-A
External audio in and out
External video audio in and out
Internal 60 pin connector (DAV)
Internal 26 pin connector (front panel? never used)
Internal 10 pin connector (TV/FM tuner card, pretty sure I heard folks had gotten this to work)
Wings 2 - 1997 - 1997,1998 - 820-0971-A
External audio in and out
External video audio in and out
Internal 60 pin connector "DAV" (DAV)
Internal 40 pin connector "AIO" (AIO front panel)
My board has the labeled spot for the 10 pin "AIO Video" but is missing the connector.
I wonder if that big 112-pin connector on the personality cards actually carries PCI signals. The AIO service manual says it does not. If that's true I'm asking myself why it has so many pins?
The only way to figure it out is to take a closer look at a child card intended to be plugged in there.
Does anyone has a personality card with a child card (modem, for example) plugged in and could provide us with a high-res photo of it? Thanks in advance!
The only way to figure it out is to take a closer look at a child card intended to be plugged in there.
Does anyone has a personality card with a child card (modem, for example) plugged in and could provide us with a high-res photo of it? Thanks in advance!
Phipli
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I've heard that it is like a Comm Slot II, but only has the serial pins. There are internal modems that fit the 6500 that also work in the beige G3.
Is that J5 on the left side of the above photo?
Phipli
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@Phipli Indeed, awesome!
I wonder which device actually uses the PCI slot in the PERCH connector?
Thank you for the clarification!
I wonder which device actually uses the PCI slot in the PERCH connector?
Phipli
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There is a Global Village manufactured part, I think sold/branded by Apple, but I don't know the part number. I might even have one as they came with 6500s.
mg.man
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Phipli
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I'm not certain, the thing I read didn't have pictures, but they said 56k so I suspect it is 630-2612-A?
Perhaps other serial only CSII boards work? I'm not sure sorry.
Phipli
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My 6500 had a geoport modem in it. All three, yours, mine and the 56k one use the same pins.
croissantking
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Incredible - is the unpopulated location near the middle of the personality where the USB OHCI chip would go?
Phipli
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I haven't checked. I've only seen rear case photos of the prototype, and haven't sat down with a board with the pads to check. Not sure which of my G3s has the card with the unpopulated usb footprint. I'll have to go for a rummage.
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