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New ImageWriter II Color Ribbons

techknight

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Well after I steamed it to allow moisture to absorb into it, it was fine, but I am not sure how long they are going to last. 

But mine was in this "1980s" silver box so god only knows how old it is. 

 
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eraser

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Yeah.  This is what brought me to this little international retro technology rescue adventure.  I recently opened my still vacuum sealed NOS color ribbons only to find that they would print a few color lines before completely giving up.  Here is a picture of the inside of a vintage NOS ribbon after unsealing it and printing:

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techknight

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So if we want to print in color, we need ribbons!

Let me know when they are manufactured and ready for sale. Ill buy a couple, along with new blacks if I can find them. 

 

eraser

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They are due to arrive this week.  :)

I'll put them up for sale once I verify quality and function.

 

CC_333

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Maybe I'll get one too!

Since they don't have that wretched felt roller, they should last indefinitely, so I can get one and not worry about it crumbling if I never use it :)

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eraser

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The ribbons are here!  Color, glorious dot matrix color!

The only real issue is that there was a manufacturing/reliability problem with the gear mechanism and they had to be made with foam rollers.  I guess there is a manufacturing reason for so many of the color ribbons to use foam instead of the gears.  Oh well.

I'll be posting a For Sale ad in the Trading Post soon.  

 

CC_333

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I agree with techknight; it'd be nice to know *why* they reneged at the last minute like that (as I understand it, they did initially claim that they could produce color ribbons with the gear mechanism, with nothing mentioned that would suggest otherwise).

Nevertheless, foam or not, it's good to know that they're fresh, and therefore not in danger of self destructing upon first use (as is the case with most NOS ribbons).

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eraser

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I agree with techknight; it'd be nice to know *why* they reneged at the last minute like that (as I understand it, they did initially claim that they could produce color ribbons with the gear mechanism, with nothing mentioned that would suggest otherwise).
I agree.  I am trying to find out why they weren't able to deliver on the gear model.  I'll keep you all posted.

In the meantime, yes, fresh ribbons.  

 

eraser

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Update!

 
I spoke with the factory folks and they say that there basically is no gear version of the 4C (four color) cartridge, and at this point I believe them.  
 
I have personally seen and know the following types exist:
 
- Single color (black) short form factor w/ foam (1C-FOAM)
- Single color (black) short form factor w/ gears (1C-GEAR)
- Multicolor (4C) tall form factor w/ foam (4C-FOAM)
 
I have never actually seen a 4C-GEAR but I figured that since 1C-GEAR exists that 4C-GEAR must.  After all, the factory can make all of the types I just listed.  I know that some people have managed to get ahold of working 4C cartridges.  I assumed that those must have been the elusive 4C-GEAR but it’s entirely possible that these units were really 4C-FOAM that was produced late, produced from a particularly good stock or stored in ideal conditions.  Apparently, though, there isn’t a 4C-GEAR. (If anyone can prove one exists, please let me know.)
 
So, why no 4C-GEAR?
 
I talked to the factory and found out that gear models are actually ideal for them to manufacture.  The reason is that they mold all of the plastic parts in the factory but they can’t manufacture the foam.  All of the foam they use has to be imported from another country and this increases the manufacturing difficulty and cost of the final ribbon cartridge.  
 
Companies that make make authorized ribbon cartridges (and other consumables) use a reference design from the printer manufacturer.  In this case C.Itoh (not Apple) would be the likely originator of the original reference designs.  The foam vs gear issue would have been just as relevant in the 80s and 90s.  As a matter of fact it was probably even more of an issue then since they were being mass produced and any cost increase would impact profits all the way down the chain.  I believe that with quite a bit of money on the line that if a 4C-GEAR was viable it would have been done.
 
It appears as if there was some technical reason that 4C-GEAR is not an ideal design.  I figure that if the manufacturers of the ImageWriter, who were actual printer engineers, decided not to use such a design that they must have a reason.  Remember that the 4C is twice as tall and it’s possible that the additional height of the ribbon could cause problems with binding or possibly require more force to turn than C.Itoh engineers thought was ideal for the motor on the print head.  These are just guesses.  At any rate, trying to oversee the creation of a 4C-GEAR model would take quite a bit of time and money and it’s not clear if there is a real benefit at this point.  It’s true that the foam used in the old stock of 4C-FOAM was a problem.  We may have the same problem with these in a decade or two but there are probably bigger concerns by then.  I just don’t know.
 
In the meantime, we do now have brand new color ribbons for the ImageWriter and for the next few years we can look forward to bringing back full color dot matrix printing to the classic Mac.  I should have the Trading Post ad up this weekend.
 

eraser

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I'm impressed with the ImageWriter II's color printing.  I've been printing random color pictures on it just to see how they will look.   Nobody would mistake its output with a modern photo printer but for a 30-year old dot matrix it does a good job.  

When using MacPalette II it prints the same page/image in 4 separate passes.  Each pass adds a different primary color from the color ribbon.  I find it really interesting to watch the image slowly appear on the paper as it mixes in each new set of colors.  In terms of print speed though, it is incredibly slow.  A full page color graphic or photo will take maybe 5-10 minutes to print including the time it takes for the machine to build the color maps.

 

trag

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The wonder isn't that the bear dances so well. The wonder is that the bear dances at all...

In the IWII's case it also dances pretty darn well for what it is. The guy(s) at Microspot were ingenious.

My only issue is that text always prints in Tall Adjusted with MacPallete II and looks horrible.

 
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Paralel

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This really makes me want an ImageWriter II. I just wish the damn things weren't so freakin' heavy. Makes shipping just unreasonable.

 

eraser

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The wonder isn't that the bear dances so well. The wonder is that the bear dances at all...

In the IWII's case it also dances pretty darn well for what it is. The guy(s) at Microspot were ingenious.

My only issue is that text always prints in Tall Adjusted with MacPallete II and looks horrible.
Well said!  MacPallete II does have a few configuration options.  I hope to play with them a bit and see how much of a difference they make.

This really makes me want an ImageWriter II. I just wish the damn things weren't so freakin' heavy. Makes shipping just unreasonable.
and ...

I don't remember the IMWII being so heavy.  The original Image Writer, however, is a lead brick.
There are different versions of the ImageWriter II.  The early revisions of the printer are very close in weight to the original ImageWriter and nearly 40 lbs.  The last model, released in 1990, is dramatically lighter.  The power supply accounted for quite a bit of the weight in the early ImageWriters.  If you take one apart you will see why.  There is one transformer in there that has to weigh a good 10 lbs all by itself.  The weight difference between the 1980s and 1990s ImageWriter II is so much that I am certain that I could pick up one of them blindfolded and tell you exactly which model it was.

 
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Tam 400

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I rembemer using the ImageWriterII,have a few.There was a Photoshop plugin that I used to print in colour,from a power Mac.

PS/3, an as for the ribbons,there not to bad to R/R.you can still buy colour ribbons for other printers,take the ribbon out an string it back in place.Replace the foam with new,an if a roller is gone use a pice of small plastic pipe,tube as a roller,it's not to bad to rebuild one.

Cheers guys

 

NJRoadfan

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I'm curious to see the same printouts on the rare ImageWriter LQ. The reason printing takes so long is that the printer has to do a double pass in order to print 144dpi vertically. The maximum resolution of the printer is technically 160x144dpi, but most software stuck with 144x144dpi to retain square pixels and to print normal looking text.

The LQ could pull off 320x216dpi. It still had to do the double pass printing 144dpi vertically to retain compatibility with the older 9-pin ImageWriter software.

 

beachycove

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There was a Photoshop plugin that I used to print in colour,from a power Mac.
I'm also under the impression that Quickdraw GX (System 7.5) allowed colour printing from any software to the ImageWriter II, using an ImageWriter GX Extension. I am unable to confirm that, owing to the fact that I don't have a colour ribbon, but it would make things a good deal easier if it were true. Could someone possibly test it out?

 
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