my vision for 68k/ early ppc macs

[MacJunky]

I think it might be interesting to ask Apple about it anyway.

I mean, if they say no, oh well, they still would have been against it even if we had not asked and we would be in trouble. But if they say yes for some reason (with or without limits) then that is totally awesome.

If they say yes but have a reasonable price tag, we had better make sure we know what we are getting into before paying up.

We should just ask and see.

 

[aftermac]

Well, Apple "stole" the television, and Microsoft stole the stereo... we're just going back in for the Betamax.

Seriously, using the source code for any project is a bad idea. There is not a chance in Redmond of Apple allowing you to do anything with it's source code. I suppose you could tinker with it on your own, and NOT distribute it. Otherwise, Apple will shut it down faster than you can say cease-and-desist.

 

[Quadraman]

I think the closest you are ever going to get to a modern browser for Classic has already been done with iCab. If you look on the website the author says there are simply things that you just cannot do with OS versions prior to 8.5 which is why there are two downloads. 2.99 for 8.1 and earlier including 68k Macs and 3.xx for systems running 8.5-OS X.

 

[Bunsen]

From things that have been mentioned previously here and elsewhere, my impression is that the system versions Apple hasn't released have code in them from other companies that were licensed in such a way that they can't.

 

[MacJunky]

Seriously, using the source code for any project is a bad idea. There is not a chance in Redmond of Apple allowing you to do anything with it's source code. I suppose you could tinker with it on your own, and NOT distribute it. Otherwise, Apple will shut it down faster than you can say cease-and-desist.

But my point was that it would not hurt to ask. There may only be a slim or no chance but it is theoretically possible that they might allow development for use on 68k Macs.I am not saying it will happen, I am just pointing out that it is theoretically possible.

 

[chris]

What you could also, theoretically, do, is make modifications to the source code, distribute the modifications, and tell people to find the source itself somewhere else. This is less sketchily legal than distributing the source, though there's still a small chance of legal action.

 

[~tl]

Indeed. However, that's going to become pretty unwieldy if you are making more than a couple of small changes.

HaikuOS was built by replacing a module of BeOS at a time with their own code. There's no reason you couldn't do this with System 7, since you have the source code. It would be a hell of a lot of work, but you would end up with something that's 100% binary compatible with System 7 and open source... which would be pretty amazing!

 

[ChristTrekker]

What you could also, theoretically, do, is make modifications to the source code, distribute the modifications, and tell people to find the source itself somewhere else.

Isn't that how the Apache (a patchy) web server got started?

 

[gobabushka]

if theres anything i can do to help, server usage, anything, lemme kno!

 

[funkytoad]

Same Here!

 

[joshc]

tmtomh - NeXT machines had a great performance? What planet are you living on, because I'd sure like to go there.

My NeXT station turbo felt sluggish to me - the NeXTs were underpowered for their price. Using the 68k was really the wrong choice.

 

[macintoshman]

I dont know what to do. I removed the source from my HD as I dont want to be sued by apple. I do not like icab. Crashes a lot.

 

[Temetka]

You can always run OS X

and hides>

So I looked up HaikuOS. I can't figure out what platform it runs on, is it x86 or PPC?

 

[~tl]

x86, though according to the documentation they are working on a PPC port.

 

[chris]

Haiku would be *awesome* on old Macs. Dunno what it would run like but it's a great system just like BeOS was...

 

[coius]

I wouldn't mind BeOS for my PowerMacintosh G3. Does anyone have a copy from the days when PowerComputer went over to them when they were kicked out of the clone licensing by apple? Let's talk if you have it!! i want to see if I can get it to work on my Blue and White!!!

PM me if you have it, and we can work something out

 

[alk]

Not a chance. BeOS for PPC doesn't work on anything that originally shipped with a G3 processor in a ZIF socket or soldered to the motherboard. It will work on G3 *upgraded* Macs and clones, but not on genuine G3 systems with PC66 or PC100 RAM.

I've always wanted a BeOS PowerBook, but it doesn't boot on my 3400c, so I suppose I'm out of luck. For the record, I have BeOS PR1, BeOS R4, BeOS R4.5, and BeOS R5.0.2. All are great, but they have no application support, and without a modern browser, they are pretty useless to me for anything other than nostalgia.

Peace,

Drew

 

[Richard]

I was just looking through the old news topics, and this one just really stuck out…had to reply.

I think this is a nice vision, even if it is a little impossible. It would be amazing if we could create a way for 68ks (and early PPC) to be compatible with the modern world. A web browser more compatible than the existing 68k ones (even if it is not Firefox 3.5.2 ) and maybe some applications compatible with newer file formats. Has anyone ever thought about making a way for .docx to work on classic Mac OS?

Also, I really like the idea of a simple website for 68ks to load. It could cover many topics possibly, except it would be on one simple plain text site. It could be like a middleman between 68ks and the rest of the web!

Anyways, those are just my crazy thoughts. :lol:

 

[Christopher]

To answer your request...

Meet Classilla: http://www.floodgap.com/software/classilla/

Let me know if it works. stupid internet for some reason fails at web pages.

 

[Richard]

If only it worked on 68ks. :lol: