my vision for 68k/ early ppc macs

[macintoshman]

The vison has changed to a new OS. Read through the topic to understand.

Original Vison:

I believe that we should create a website that is pure text with some small images, that will serve as a hub of the 68k macs on the web. i noticed that even these forums are slightly bloated for a 68k. it would feature-

Abandon ware Downloads Via HTML

Information on older systems

World news

Apple news

and a development team dedicated to writing new apps for a 68k and early ppc mac! i have a vision that we will port many modern apps to the 68k! And provide a portal for older computers to thrive on! i noticed even the forum is alot for a 68k to process, and it would be mostly text, with limited java.

this is a wondrous vision, that old macs can run apps like Firefox,abiword, and much more. What do you think? Should we revive OS9,8, and 7?

-macintoshman

i know the idea is crazy But if it works we will be using old quadras more! :beige:

 

[MultiFinder]

http://www.68kmla.org/projects/ anyone? People here who really love some things here could have their own little pet projects there to maintain or something. If we could implement something like that, I'd totally be on board.

/me starts longingly at ~tl

I'd do a little thing on 68k *nix

 

[MacJunky]

...this is a wondrous vision, that old macs can run apps like Firefox...

Hahaha! _Not_ going to happen. someone already tried to whip up an OS 9 build but it was extremely slow, crashy and all around extremely nasty. On a 68k Mac it would run like someone paralysed from the neck down.

 

[~tl]

The plan is for there eventually to be some nice, 68k friendly text only themes for the Forums and the Wiki (as well as some nice looking Mac OS inspired ones). However, that'll only happen when I have time to make up some new themes. Which I promise I will do soon. Really.

The projects idea is interesting, I'll look to see what the hurdles in implementing it would be. I'm guessing my (fairly) limited server space is going to be the main one if everyone decides to jump on board and start their own sites.

As for the Abandonware downloads via HTML -- it's not going to happen. The legality is questionable at best, and the last thing we want is the 68kMLA getting or having to defend a cease and desist suit.

 

[ChristTrekker]

I think it is extremely unrealistic to think anyone is going to jump onto a Classic development project at this point - even a "simple port" of something existing. Heck, few enough people did it when Classic was still viable. If you want to, by all means go ahead.

 

[macintoshman]

Well, Ok So Here Is The Idea Now:

No Downloads

Text Site Hub For 68k macs

Posibley new apps- I am not a programmer, but I do Know how a good project should be done. Well, How about a new Modern browser for 68k? I am sure it would be popular too.

I am making project plans in mac plan!

 

[macintoshman]

I am making the prototype site! On my Powermac G3!

Wish me luck!

 

[macintoshman]

It is up:

http://68kmac.bravehost.com/default.htm

Tell me what you think, and here is something i have to say:

Look beyond what cant be done, and and look at what can.

we should revive Mac OS classic as a usable platform! Heck, Be os still gets new apps!

 

[ChristTrekker]

Heck, Be os still gets new apps!

Yes, but Zeta/YellowTab/whatever is still being (somewhat) actively developed. It's (IIRC) OSS, so it's got that going for it. Apple has put the nail in the coffin of Classic. Trying to get modern-ish Unix software to build in A/UX (like I do) is kinda silly - and I'll admit it - but it's fairly trivial to give it a try. Developing Mac OS apps, or porting them, is decidedly non-trivial.

 

[~tl]

As of earlier this year, ZETA (YellowTab) is as dead as BeOS itself. They didn't actually have permission to be using the BeOS source code (surprise surprise) and hence had to stop distributing it. The BeOS legacy isn't completely over though, as Haiku still seems to be going:

http://haiku-os.org/

It's a complete, ground up, rewrite that aims to be binary compatible with BeOS...

 

[vassilizaitsev]

I think this is a really special idea.

This is something that I wanted to look at not just another 1000 pages of blurb from people I don't know!

It's a really great idea & I love the link from macintoshman

[] ]'>

 

[macintoshman]

Well, Mac OS can be modernized. Anything can. And apple put A nail in OS9s coffin. A nail cannot stop us! The binary of classic is in use today! Many people love the mac but cant afford osx! Anyone who knows C++ and knowledge on how classic works, can write a program. A At least the modern web browser can be done. Or adding protected memory to the kernel. I'm sure others have some ideas too. Woudnt you like to have a modern browser on a quadra? Yes.They will be usable by more people than collectors if this project is successful.

 

[ChristTrekker]

As of earlier this year, ZETA (YellowTab) is as dead as BeOS itself. They didn't actually have permission to be using the BeOS source code (surprise surprise) and hence had to stop distributing it. The BeOS legacy isn't completely over though, as Haiku still seems to be going:
http://haiku-os.org/

It's a complete, ground up, rewrite that aims to be binary compatible with BeOS...

Why can't we get someone to write a ground-up implementation of something cool ... like A/UX???

 

[macintoshman]

Do you mean modernising A/UX, or making a new A/UX ompatible with all 68k macs?

 

[MacJunky]

I know I would like to see a linux/unix more specially tuned for blazing speed on Mac hardware.. kinda like DSL but 68k.

 

[macintoshman]

A never liked linux. I prefer Mac OS. A/Ux might be a good base for the project. we just need to extend support.

 

[ChristTrekker]

Do you mean modernising A/UX, or making a new A/UX ompatible with all 68k macs?

Something Unix-like (i.e. solid "modern" OS) compatible with classic MacOS apps and such, with our beloved GUI. Kind of like what OS X would have been if they'd gotten started 10 years earlier, or what A/UX nearly was, or what Copland might have been if it hadn't drifted aimlessly into oblivion.

The idea was discussed several years ago in the A/UX newsgroup, and got a name (NouveAUX) but no farther than that.

 

[macintoshman]

Ok, I have a name. ClassicOS V 1. Anyone else have a sugestion for a name for a new os?

 

[Bunsen]

MachTEN is very close to what you're describing, but it's not open source. You could probably put something together with NetBSD and the JIT build of Basilisk II