Major Score! 8600 with Sonnet CPU, 3DFX card, Etc

[beachycove]

Two drives can be moderately useful for duplication, but that is hardly "necessary" these days.

I had one of these machines in daily use for years, and loaded it up with varied drives, whereas I only ever really used the stock SCSI 24x CD-ROM, the hard drives (lots of spare bays) and the zip. I suppose one could stick in a burner, but there are faster burners available in later machines. Maybe a CF card reader or the like could be a more useful option.

 

[Rick Dangerous]

Thanks guys.  Ordered a "Near Mint" Yamaha SCSI drive, 1 year newer and faster than my dead unit.  Even though i have multiple other ways to burn discs.

I have a disease.....and the only cure is MORE CLASSIC MAC! 

 

[Unknown_K]

Yamaha SCSI burners used to be so common but they are hard to find these days.  I still have external TEAC SCSI CDR drives connected to my IIfx machines that burn disks just fine, but anything pre OSX you don't want to multitask while burning especially if you are burning from an old SCSI drive on the built in bus. My IIfx's have Jackhammers for the fast OS drives and the burners use the built in bus external connection.

 

[trag]

I think a lot of those Yamaha burners died.   They had nice features for the time, but they only seemed to last three to five years, generally.

 

[Byrd]

I think a lot of those Yamaha burners died.   They had nice features for the time, but they only seemed to last three to five years, generally.

They ran hot as well - most early SCSI CD burners (notably Yamaha) had small fans built in and slightly later ones they removed the fan but kept the vents.  Perhaps this is where the phrase CD "burning" came from.

 

[LaPorta]

There is this option as well:

https://eshop.macsales.com/item/HP/C6020I/

 

[Rick Dangerous]

Hey guys, need to free up a PCI slot for an Ethernet card.  Anyone have any thoughts or experience with a card like this?

https://www.ebay.com/c/1000220023

Have USB, FireWire, IDE, AND two data ports for a future SSD upgrade.  Any reason it wouldn't be compatible as plug and play with this 8600 running 9.2.2?

Thanks for your input!

 

[AlpineRaven]

Hey guys, need to free up a PCI slot for an Ethernet card.  Anyone have any thoughts or experience with a card like this?

https://www.ebay.com/c/1000220023

Have USB, FireWire, IDE, AND two data ports for a future SSD upgrade.  Any reason it wouldn't be compatible as plug and play with this 8600 running 9.2.2?

Thanks for your input!

My first indication is that the card won't work.

Cheers

AP

 

[Rick Dangerous]

Thanks; thats' too bad; with the Firewire you think this card would be made for macs.  Probably for later OSX machines though?

The 1999 SCSI Yamaha drive went in tonight.  Works great; toasted Worms CD game to test it out! 

Played 9 holes of PGA III with it as well.  Sounds strong and healthy  

 

[Trash80toHP_Mini]

That'd be my guess as well without Macintosh driver support listed. But for that price I'd be tempted to try, a card like that will be great in my Win98se machine anyway.

Sonnet TEMPO Trio is a similar card that "should" work fine in your 8600, but hard to find. No SATA though.

 

[Byrd]

One day we'll have to come across the Sonnet Tempo Trio motherload and all enjoy it's fabulous features, Trash   

I'd love the Trio in a TAM - especially when the onboard IDE controller is incredibly picky and I gave up using mSATA SSDs in it.

It's useful having a CD burner in a legacy Mac, especially in helping to resurrect old PowerBooks where you need to burn a Mac OS CD or dump a ton of files over and don't have USB on hand.

 

[Cory5412]

Hey guys, need to free up a PCI slot for an Ethernet card.

Perhaps unpopular opinion: Don't bother with an upgrade to faster ethernet. It won't make that big of a difference in System 7/8/9 for day-to-day stuff. Jeremywork has a thread about a nubus 10/100 ethernet card in an 8100/100 and it took an upgrade to G3/500 to get even a little above 10 megabit per second performance.

 

[Rick Dangerous]

Perhaps unpopular opinion: Don't bother with an upgrade to faster ethernet. It won't make that big of a difference in System 7/8/9 for day-to-day stuff. Jeremywork has a thread about a nubus 10/100 ethernet card in an 8100/100 and it took an upgrade to G3/500 to get even a little above 10 megabit per second performance.

Forgive me for sounding stupid; but will this port work as an ethernet internet/data input?  When i used these machines online BITD online it was through dial-up mostly so forgive me for not knowing. 

I thought this port was for LAN connection only for some reason.  Yeah i'll skip the trouble of a faster card if this will do the trick for light browsing of the Space Jam website  :

 

[mdeverhart]

Yep, that’s an Ethernet port, you should be good to go.

 

[jeremywork]

Perhaps unpopular opinion: Don't bother with an upgrade to faster ethernet. It won't make that big of a difference in System 7/8/9 for day-to-day stuff. Jeremywork has a thread about a nubus 10/100 ethernet card in an 8100/100 and it took an upgrade to G3/500 to get even a little above 10 megabit per second performance.

Not only this, but I've done some preliminary testing that shows similar results on 10/100 Farallon CSII cards in 6500 series machines with G3 upgrades. 

I should mention though, that my 9600 with G4 handles it much better- I've seen up to 29Mbps over an Apple 10/100 PCI when moving files to a fast disk (either a Jackhammer UW SCSI card or the Sonnet Tempo Trio) (I'd expect the 8600 would be able to achieve this too.)  If there's enough interest I can test the 9600's 10/100 with stock CPUs.

This aside, the internal port there will let you browse and download about as well as any beige-cased machine can, and without taking up a PCI slot.

 

[Rick Dangerous]

Perfect!  One less PCI slot to worry about!  

Still going to keep an eye out for a Trio......seems like a good card to have.   Plus i'll eventually want a SATA card so i can do an HDD and the trio will come in handy then to run a CDR drive from while maintaining USB/Firewire inputs. 

 

[jeremywork]

Perfect!  One less PCI slot to worry about!  

Still going to keep an eye out for a Trio......seems like a good card to have.   Plus i'll eventually want a SATA card so i can do an HDD and the trio will come in handy then to run a CDR drive from while maintaining USB/Firewire inputs. 

If you successfully track down a Trio, I'd personally skip the SATA interface unless you have specific drives you want to use. The ATA133 on the Trio is as fast as 1.5Gb SATA even with no bottleneck, and there are plenty of IDE drives floating around, up to 750GB (from Xserve RAIDs.)

 

[Byrd]

I think the benefit of SATA in PPC Macs is that SSDs are so cheap now, and you probably won't have as many compatibility issues using it natively off SATA.  IDE 750GB drives are getting tad long in the tooth to trust.

 

[Cory5412]

I've seen up to 29Mbps over an Apple 10/100 PCI when moving files to a fast disk (either a Jackhammer UW SCSI card or the Sonnet Tempo Trio) (I'd expect the 8600 would be able to achieve this too.)  If there's enough interest I can test the 9600's 10/100 with stock CPUs.

Hmm.... makes me want to get such a card and look. I've got an 8600/350, a Beige G3/300 and a blue-white G3/450 (which of course has onboard 10/100 ethernet) and while I can see those systems being able to push more -- and 29 is meaningfully more, especially if you paired it with a really good file server and, IDK, were editing video or running Virtual PC machines off of networked storage, how it would be a big upgrade.

I saw a card the other day with USB, Firewire, and SATA on it that I'm told works on classic Macs, it was linked in the IRC channel, but I've forgotten the name.

Re setting up a new disk system, Agree with Byrd, I'd favor SATA over IDE. The newest IDE disks are over ten years old at this point. If you already have a big investment in IDE infrastructure, then yay, but if not, then a SATA card is going to be operationally more convenient.

 

[Unknown_K]

750GB IDE drives were never common. People were switching to SATA back when a 250GB IDE was massive so anything over that size is hard to find (even if reliable). SATA to IDE adapters are cheap so I don't see an issue with using a newer larger faster SATA drive with an older IDE only system (or just buying a SATA PCI card. If the system has the option for SATA or IDE I go with SATA because the drives are easier and cheaper to source plus I don't waste a 500GB SATA on a system that will not need that kind of space. You still have the issue of SATA 3 and newer drives not switching to SATA 1 mode for older systems.