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MacintoshClassicIIIColorTVp™ Hack
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techknight
Well-known member
if you had an old iMac, they have them as well 
Trash80toHP_Mini
NIGHT STALKER
The iMac is only ONE of the few things Apple that I'll NEVER collect! :disapprove:
The petty tyrant/ultimate huckster in the black turtleneck took all the credit for this product that was already in development loooong before he returned to Apple, after his utter failure at NeXT.
Every time I see the image of him sitting, surrounded by fruity iMacCandy, the form over function archetype of all the ersatz Mac iPoo developed since his return to Apple . . .
. . . makes me wanna' barf!
The Woz and Paul Allen are my heroes of the micro/techno revolution and they still ROCK! They did REAL Development Work and got out to do the things they loved, leaving when they wanted, and letting the Thieves of Silicon Vally run the businesses built upon their achievements.
BG & SJ were the used car level hucksters of that era and don't, IMHO, no matter what they've achieved or done, even something as awesome as Pixar!
/almostbash (MAYBE) mode>
Nope, DON'T even bring it up guys: I've been off this soapbox for quite some time now, but calling a spade a spade or a huckster a huckster is NOT BASHING under the rules! :
Hucksters/Sales/Marketing Critters may seem to make the world go round, but it's the people who do the development work who are turning the crank behind the scenes.
:approve:
The petty tyrant/ultimate huckster in the black turtleneck took all the credit for this product that was already in development loooong before he returned to Apple, after his utter failure at NeXT.
Every time I see the image of him sitting, surrounded by fruity iMacCandy, the form over function archetype of all the ersatz Mac iPoo developed since his return to Apple . . .
. . . makes me wanna' barf!
The Woz and Paul Allen are my heroes of the micro/techno revolution and they still ROCK! They did REAL Development Work and got out to do the things they loved, leaving when they wanted, and letting the Thieves of Silicon Vally run the businesses built upon their achievements.
BG & SJ were the used car level hucksters of that era and don't, IMHO, no matter what they've achieved or done, even something as awesome as Pixar!
/almostbash (MAYBE) mode>
Nope, DON'T even bring it up guys: I've been off this soapbox for quite some time now, but calling a spade a spade or a huckster a huckster is NOT BASHING under the rules! :
Hucksters/Sales/Marketing Critters may seem to make the world go round, but it's the people who do the development work who are turning the crank behind the scenes.
:approve:
Yes. Basically Spindler (and possibly Amelio, but he wasn't there all that long) put in the hard work and years of effort to cut the product line to something sensible and get the basic Beige G3 into a shippable machine and the basis for an affordable high-performance product line, and Jobs came in and took all the credit for his years of hard work.
Trash80toHP_Mini
NIGHT STALKER
CEOs & Presidents must be much the same . . .
. . . monomaniacal "big picture" guys/gals who don't care about others much at all . . . :
. . . otherwise they couldn't do the job. :-/
. . . but presidents are politicians, so they have to come off like they care . . .
. . . whatever happens on their watch, they take the credit . . .
. . . and try to blame anything bad on their predecessor!
. . . just like CEOs!
It's too bad that inflated egos, self-interest re: career focus and stomping anyone in their path has to be their inordinate or obsessive zeal for or interest in a single thing, idea, subject, or the like/motivation. :disapprove:
Whatever . . . . . .life happens and the hucksters have ruled the world since the Bronze Age. )
< Fun tangent, BTW! [] ]'> >
< ducks . . . looking out for the bashing police! 8-o >
)
. . . monomaniacal "big picture" guys/gals who don't care about others much at all . . . :
. . . otherwise they couldn't do the job. :-/
. . . but presidents are politicians, so they have to come off like they care . . .
. . . whatever happens on their watch, they take the credit . . .
. . . and try to blame anything bad on their predecessor!
. . . just like CEOs!
It's too bad that inflated egos, self-interest re: career focus and stomping anyone in their path has to be their inordinate or obsessive zeal for or interest in a single thing, idea, subject, or the like/motivation. :disapprove:
Whatever . . .
. . .life happens and the hucksters have ruled the world since the Bronze Age. ) < Fun tangent, BTW! [
] ]'> >< ducks . . . looking out for the bashing police! 8-o >
)
techknight
Well-known member
What does this have anything to do with robbing parts off an iMac?
I simply mentioned that iMac CRT CD-ROMs have the IDE adapter you need. you need to mod it a slight bit for a power connection but it works ;-)
Remind me never to push the red buttons LOL j/k
I simply mentioned that iMac CRT CD-ROMs have the IDE adapter you need. you need to mod it a slight bit for a power connection but it works ;-)
Remind me never to push the red buttons LOL j/k
Trash80toHP_Mini
NIGHT STALKER
:lol:
. . . the iMac button connected to the red button . . .
. . . the red button connected to the SJ bald spot button . . .
. . .
. . . so it goes! }
:beige: )
< /tangent mode [] ]'> >
. . . the iMac button connected to the red button . . .
. . . the red button connected to the SJ bald spot button . . .
. . .
. . . so it goes! }
:beige: ) < /tangent mode [
] ]'> >
techknight
Well-known member
weee.
IMAC IMAC IMAC PUSH PUSH PUSH } } } }
just kidding. ;-)
IMAC IMAC IMAC PUSH PUSH PUSH }
} } } just kidding. ;-)
Trash80toHP_Mini
NIGHT STALKER
8-o
}
Bash, BASH, BASH on the SJ "Bald Spot" Button . . .
. . . with a rubber mallet! :approve: }
OOPSIE!!!! :I
. . . never got to the "kidding" part! :
Awe . . . shucks! }
)
Enough already! This mod is about ready to bash himself with the sawed off pool noodle of silliness abatement™
Bash, BASH, BASH on the SJ "Bald Spot" Button . . .
. . . with a rubber mallet! :approve: }
OOPSIE!!!! :I
. . . never got to the "kidding" part! :
Awe . . . shucks! }
) Enough already! This mod is about ready to bash himself with the sawed off pool noodle of silliness abatement™
Trash80toHP_Mini
NIGHT STALKER
Meanwhile, back at the banana ranch!
< TANGENT MODE >
PROCRASTINATION PAYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [] ]'>
I've been mulling over my ComPaq Portable II Hack for going on two years now. The Superdrive I just got is slated to pop CDs-n-DVDs outta' the original equipment FDD that's been gutted to frame, bezel & awesome (press bottom to release catch) flip up door!
Haven't taken any shots of my own yet, but I found this hack while snapping up Google Images to host-n-post in the meantime:
CompaqPortablePlayStation3Hack which is based on the much roomier Compaq Portable.[/url
Almost seven years ago, when I first moved to NC's Bermuda Triangle, I found a Compaq Portable II sittin' atop a garbage can outside a Thrift Shop and nabbed it quicker than a . . . well . . . PDQ!!!!!
They must have chucked it out because the coiled KBD Cable was well & truly trashed. I set it aside for consideration and started tearing it down for a case hack donor a few years back, I never even tried to boot it up or fix the cable, the LAST THING I wanted was a working CpqPII . . .
. . . what fun (compared to doing a re-case hack } ) would THAT be?
When I got HP_Mini two years ago, I soon got a remaindered (standard aspect ratio) 17" HP 1280 x 1024 LCD at TigerDirect and the VGA adapter cable for HP_Mini to run the combination at home with a reasonable pixel count. I'm a 21" Graphics Level CRT Addict & 1024 x 600 + - just wasn't cuttin' it for me at home, but it was a revelation when doing WiFi in coffee shops! [] ]'>
The more I thought about it, the more I wanted to hack my very first LCD into the CpsPII's side and hook up all available peripherals on the faceplate of the sucker & a couple of removable Drive Trays in the CRT Space behind a vacuum formed, back painted clear plexi CRT "face" with the ubuntu logo on it! This was to be the ultimate NetBook, leave it in the trunk, peripheral housing. I'd carry it into a coffee shop, set it on its side with a 17" PORTRAIT LCD Display facing me, access to all the card readers, USB connectors, Optical "5.25 in. Floppy Drive" on the side and a KILLER custom KBD layout hacked into the stock KBD/bottom cover plate . . .
. . . thought about doing a coiled cord for the KBD per the original, but USB Wireless is STILL VERY TEMPTING!
After craigslisting about a dozen different LCDs, I'd decided to switch gears! The 17" LCD would have forced me to have a significant bulge next to the carry handle, 19" LCD's were too big and I'd almost settled on putting a great little 15" HP 1024 x 768 LCD in there so as not to have any protrusions, but the folding stand on the case bottom didn't lend itself well to the prospect . . .
EUREKA!!!!!!!!!!!! 8-o It came to me in a flash as I headed up to the Raleigh Flea Market Mart!
The grlf had given me the day off on Sunday, so I checked in at TigerDirect (now CompUSA/TD) with the http://old-computers.com/MUSEUM/photos/Compaq_PortableII_Inside_s1.jpgaluminum inner frame in hand and found an E-Machines 19" 720p LCD that was just about perfect! It'd cover the entire underside of the unit after the stand was totally excised from the outer case and give me 1366 x 768 of portrait pixels with the CpqP-II sitting on its new side feets as planned, or do 720p sitting on feets attached to the top (making up for the rounded shape & protruding handle) with all ports accessible on the top!
I stopped off at BestBuy on the way home and found a muuuuch better 18.5" AOC 720p LCD Monitor w/LED backlight and a far better frame for what I now intend to do! Tested it with HP_Mini and she drives 1366 x 768 like a dream!
There's just one little stick in the ointment . . . I won't be using it with HP_Mini after all . . . :-/
I just need to order a three slot Left angle PCI Riser Card and revamp the sheet metal at the top of the aluminum inner frame just a bit . . .
. . . cuz there's gonna' be a 1.88 GHz Dual Core ATOM NetTop Mobo with the proper DVD CoDec and 5.1 SurroundSound out stuffed in there!
The Intel NetTop Board and PCI cards will be upside down as compared to the original MoBo and its ISA Cards accessible behind the sliding side door!
I think I can live with that! [] ]'>
Besides, with the links posted above, I can wait to post actual piccies of my hack-in-progress when I post the appropriate topic. }
< /TANGENT MODE >
I've actually made just a bit more progress on the original subject of this thread:
the MacintoshClassicIIIColorTVp™ Hack . . . but it's long past my bedtime . . . :lol: . . . zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
< TANGENT MODE >
PROCRASTINATION PAYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [
] ]'>I've been mulling over my ComPaq Portable II Hack for going on two years now. The Superdrive I just got is slated to pop CDs-n-DVDs outta' the original equipment FDD that's been gutted to frame, bezel & awesome (press bottom to release catch) flip up door!
Haven't taken any shots of my own yet, but I found this hack while snapping up Google Images to host-n-post in the meantime:
CompaqPortablePlayStation3Hack which is based on the much roomier Compaq Portable.[/url
Almost seven years ago, when I first moved to NC's Bermuda Triangle, I found a Compaq Portable II sittin' atop a garbage can outside a Thrift Shop and nabbed it quicker than a . . . well . . . PDQ!!!!!
They must have chucked it out because the coiled KBD Cable was well & truly trashed. I set it aside for consideration and started tearing it down for a case hack donor a few years back, I never even tried to boot it up or fix the cable, the LAST THING I wanted was a working CpqPII . . .
. . . what fun (compared to doing a re-case hack }
) would THAT be?When I got HP_Mini two years ago, I soon got a remaindered (standard aspect ratio) 17" HP 1280 x 1024 LCD at TigerDirect and the VGA adapter cable for HP_Mini to run the combination at home with a reasonable pixel count. I'm a 21" Graphics Level CRT Addict & 1024 x 600 + - just wasn't cuttin' it for me at home, but it was a revelation when doing WiFi in coffee shops! [
] ]'>The more I thought about it, the more I wanted to hack my very first LCD into the CpsPII's side and hook up all available peripherals on the faceplate of the sucker & a couple of removable Drive Trays in the CRT Space behind a vacuum formed, back painted clear plexi CRT "face" with the ubuntu logo on it! This was to be the ultimate NetBook, leave it in the trunk, peripheral housing. I'd carry it into a coffee shop, set it on its side with a 17" PORTRAIT LCD Display facing me, access to all the card readers, USB connectors, Optical "5.25 in. Floppy Drive" on the side and a KILLER custom KBD layout hacked into the stock KBD/bottom cover plate . . .
. . . thought about doing a coiled cord for the KBD per the original, but USB Wireless is STILL VERY TEMPTING!
After craigslisting about a dozen different LCDs, I'd decided to switch gears! The 17" LCD would have forced me to have a significant bulge next to the carry handle, 19" LCD's were too big and I'd almost settled on putting a great little 15" HP 1024 x 768 LCD in there so as not to have any protrusions, but the folding stand on the case bottom didn't lend itself well to the prospect . . .
EUREKA!!!!!!!!!!!! 8-o It came to me in a flash as I headed up to the Raleigh Flea Market Mart!
The grlf had given me the day off on Sunday, so I checked in at TigerDirect (now CompUSA/TD) with the http://old-computers.com/MUSEUM/photos/Compaq_PortableII_Inside_s1.jpgaluminum inner frame in hand and found an E-Machines 19" 720p LCD that was just about perfect! It'd cover the entire underside of the unit after the stand was totally excised from the outer case and give me 1366 x 768 of portrait pixels with the CpqP-II sitting on its new side feets as planned, or do 720p sitting on feets attached to the top (making up for the rounded shape & protruding handle) with all ports accessible on the top!
I stopped off at BestBuy on the way home and found a muuuuch better 18.5" AOC 720p LCD Monitor w/LED backlight and a far better frame for what I now intend to do! Tested it with HP_Mini and she drives 1366 x 768 like a dream!
There's just one little stick in the ointment . . . I won't be using it with HP_Mini after all . . . :-/
I just need to order a three slot Left angle PCI Riser Card and revamp the sheet metal at the top of the aluminum inner frame just a bit . . .
. . . cuz there's gonna' be a 1.88 GHz Dual Core ATOM NetTop Mobo with the proper DVD CoDec and 5.1 SurroundSound out stuffed in there!
The Intel NetTop Board and PCI cards will be upside down as compared to the original MoBo and its ISA Cards accessible behind the sliding side door!
I think I can live with that! [
] ]'>Besides, with the links posted above, I can wait to post actual piccies of my hack-in-progress when I post the appropriate topic. }
< /TANGENT MODE >
I've actually made just a bit more progress on the original subject of this thread:
the MacintoshClassicIIIColorTVp™ Hack . . . but it's long past my bedtime . . . :lol: . . . zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Any idea what that connector is called that plugs into the back of the slim Optical drive?
I think the G4 Mac Mini uses an 80 pin version for the Airport/Bluetooth connector and it would be a lot easier to look it up if I knew what it was called. Otherwise I'm in for browsing DigiKey pages for tens of minutes it not hours.
I think the G4 Mac Mini uses an 80 pin version for the Airport/Bluetooth connector and it would be a lot easier to look it up if I knew what it was called. Otherwise I'm in for browsing DigiKey pages for tens of minutes it not hours.
techknight
Well-known member
To me they were always called Slimline IDE connectors.
Trash80toHP_Mini
NIGHT STALKER
Slimline CD DVD JAE 50-Pin :?:
http://jae-connectors.com/en/index.cfm
http://www.pccables.com/00507.htm
My head hurts! :-/
http://jae-connectors.com/en/index.cfm
http://www.pccables.com/00507.htm
My head hurts! :-/
techknight
Well-known member
JAE connector. thats it. i remember now ;-)
its been a few years since i took my certification, so i happened to loose a lot of that knowledge.
its been a few years since i took my certification, so i happened to loose a lot of that knowledge.
Trash80toHP_Mini
NIGHT STALKER
I got tired of trying to set up my network and pulled out this long neglected hack.
I'd been wondering about the small HP PSU I'm using to fit into the IIsi PSU's sheet metal for a surreptitious surge in power . . .
. . . so I thought I'd try the empty metal shell in the sub-basement of this kluge. [}] ]'>
It fits . . . along with a slot-loader SuperDrive and a decent size HDD or two running off the Sonnet Tempo Trio Card along with USB and FireWire devices. [] ]'>
The DVD in the upper chamber is for feeding the TV/Tuner Card over S-Video and a 5.1 system for 50" projection screen playtime. The SuperDrive will be for the SonnetG3/6500 board's Optical and there will be a slot cut into one of the two thin grooves above the wide band. I just need to noodle out clearances for the VidCard dangling down into the Sub-Basement and the HDD base for the SuperDrive Sandwich.
The PSU casing completely clears the descending second slot, if 250W isn't enough, I've got a line on a smaller PSU that puts out 300W, I just need to make sure the 12V rail can run two opticals and a couple of HDDs.
In these two shots, you might be able to see how I've used the sheet metal tools to cut the fan housing & unswitched PSU assembly area off the @$$ end of the PSU. It sits nicely up against the original PSU fan, which moves a lot more air than the quiet little job in the ATX/ITX HP PSU. This should suffice for cooling the PSU, peripherals and the MoBo up in the Classic's basement. We'll see! [] ]'>
Looks like it's time to snag another one off eBay and get cracking on my ATX conversion PCB.
First, I think I'll test to make sure there's enough juice in the first one I bought to run each hack!
I've also been neglecting the DECstation ReCase of the hardware/software test unit. That's almost finished, maybe I'll do some pics and post that one too!)
I'd been wondering about the small HP PSU I'm using to fit into the IIsi PSU's sheet metal for a surreptitious surge in power . . .
. . . so I thought I'd try the empty metal shell in the sub-basement of this kluge. [}
] ]'>It fits . . . along with a slot-loader SuperDrive and a decent size HDD or two running off the Sonnet Tempo Trio Card along with USB and FireWire devices. [
] ]'>
The DVD in the upper chamber is for feeding the TV/Tuner Card over S-Video and a 5.1 system for 50" projection screen playtime. The SuperDrive will be for the SonnetG3/6500 board's Optical and there will be a slot cut into one of the two thin grooves above the wide band. I just need to noodle out clearances for the VidCard dangling down into the Sub-Basement and the HDD base for the SuperDrive Sandwich.
The PSU casing completely clears the descending second slot, if 250W isn't enough, I've got a line on a smaller PSU that puts out 300W, I just need to make sure the 12V rail can run two opticals and a couple of HDDs.
In these two shots, you might be able to see how I've used the sheet metal tools to cut the fan housing & unswitched PSU assembly area off the @$$ end of the PSU. It sits nicely up against the original PSU fan, which moves a lot more air than the quiet little job in the ATX/ITX HP PSU. This should suffice for cooling the PSU, peripherals and the MoBo up in the Classic's basement. We'll see! [
] ]'>
Looks like it's time to snag another one off eBay and get cracking on my ATX conversion PCB.
First, I think I'll test to make sure there's enough juice in the first one I bought to run each hack!
I've also been neglecting the DECstation ReCase of the hardware/software test unit. That's almost finished, maybe I'll do some pics and post that one too!
)
Trash80toHP_Mini
NIGHT STALKER
I think I've got about 7 different PCBs to make for various hacks now.
Is there a house that'll do a deal for something on the order of a square foot of PCB blank, with holes drilled for cutoff perforations of nested designs? :?:
Is there a house that'll do a deal for something on the order of a square foot of PCB blank, with holes drilled for cutoff perforations of nested designs? :?:
Bunsen
Admin-Witchfinder-General
http://www.ourpcb.com/
http://www.seeedstudio.com/depot/-p-835.html?cPath=185
https://www.batchpcb.com/ (allied with Sparkfun)
This is not a recommendation; I'm just dropping in links I've collected along the way for my own much-stalled projects.
http://www.seeedstudio.com/depot/-p-835.html?cPath=185
https://www.batchpcb.com/ (allied with Sparkfun)
This is not a recommendation; I'm just dropping in links I've collected along the way for my own much-stalled projects.
Trash80toHP_Mini
NIGHT STALKER
THX for exactly what I was asking, avenues of exploration.
Trash80toHP_Mini
NIGHT STALKER
I guess this is as good a place as any:
I unpacked and gibletized one of these today: NEW 10" SVGA Color CRT - $40 [$16 + $24 S&H]
. . . never even tested it, I'll do that after it's safely installed in a different hack, but trying it out where the MIA CRT used to reside seemed like the thing to do:
This unit is shorter front to back and the PCB is far smaller, but the older one had better suited curvature than the new one, IIRC. It's very nice that the controls are on a separate board, so they can be relocated with ease. Strapping a modem case onto the back of the Classic would hide the CRT Neck/Board very nicely, that, or maybe a faked up HDD case. The board sits too high up the back of the Classis to try a BackPackHack, the angles are still all wrong.
Here you can see how little sticks out the back . . .
edit: I have to take another shot of this, I tried to keep the lens centered across the backplane of the Classic, but it's too far forward. More sticks out the back than meets the eye here. This shot makes it look like the angle of the chamfer plane leads to the top edge of the deflection board, it doesn't. I'll take a better pic.
. . . the curvature leaves something to be desired . . . likely due to the shorter overall length . . . TANSTAFL . . .
. . . there's just room enough to put a PowerBook SlotLoader behind the CD Slot underneath the PCB if it's mounted as closely to the neck assemby as possible . . .
. . . I didn't trim back the ears on this one, but they don't stick as far out as the original CRT, note the slots cut in the bucket that hold the CRT in place . . .
. . . also note the nasty bow at the top edge of the bucket . . . I just barely got the bucket snugged up to the front bezel for the first two shots . . .
. . . low/back oblique of the monitor's giblets . . .
. . . @$$ end view . . .
. . . @$$less view . . .
This monitor is a very nice little package. What's really nice about this one for a Classic Hack is that the curvature of the front bezel of the monitor is dead on with that of the Classic. There are even lines around the opening to use as a guide in making an even cut around the edge. Splicing the monitor's CRT Surround into the Classic's front bezel would yield a perfect fit and move the CRT & its @$$ end a significant, if not entirely effective, distance forward into the bucket . . .
. . . and it would look nice as hell from the front after painting the spliced together bezels. }
I unpacked and gibletized one of these today: NEW 10" SVGA Color CRT - $40 [$16 + $24 S&H]
. . . never even tested it, I'll do that after it's safely installed in a different hack, but trying it out where the MIA CRT used to reside seemed like the thing to do:
This unit is shorter front to back and the PCB is far smaller, but the older one had better suited curvature than the new one, IIRC. It's very nice that the controls are on a separate board, so they can be relocated with ease. Strapping a modem case onto the back of the Classic would hide the CRT Neck/Board very nicely, that, or maybe a faked up HDD case. The board sits too high up the back of the Classis to try a BackPackHack, the angles are still all wrong.
Here you can see how little sticks out the back . . .
edit: I have to take another shot of this, I tried to keep the lens centered across the backplane of the Classic, but it's too far forward. More sticks out the back than meets the eye here. This shot makes it look like the angle of the chamfer plane leads to the top edge of the deflection board, it doesn't. I'll take a better pic.
. . . the curvature leaves something to be desired . . . likely due to the shorter overall length . . . TANSTAFL . . .
. . . there's just room enough to put a PowerBook SlotLoader behind the CD Slot underneath the PCB if it's mounted as closely to the neck assemby as possible . . .
. . . I didn't trim back the ears on this one, but they don't stick as far out as the original CRT, note the slots cut in the bucket that hold the CRT in place . . .
. . . also note the nasty bow at the top edge of the bucket . . . I just barely got the bucket snugged up to the front bezel for the first two shots . . .
. . . low/back oblique of the monitor's giblets . . .
. . . @$$ end view . . .
. . . @$$less view . . .
This monitor is a very nice little package. What's really nice about this one for a Classic Hack is that the curvature of the front bezel of the monitor is dead on with that of the Classic. There are even lines around the opening to use as a guide in making an even cut around the edge. Splicing the monitor's CRT Surround into the Classic's front bezel would yield a perfect fit and move the CRT & its @$$ end a significant, if not entirely effective, distance forward into the bucket . . .
. . . and it would look nice as hell from the front after painting the spliced together bezels. }
