Mac Plus Web server

[equill]

As tomlee59 writes, Apple's software does these things subliminally. If you wish to see what is going on, or to test the drive's data structures, time its throughput and so on, commercial utilities often improve on Apple's ware. The link-within-a-link in my post above will give you access to more drive utilities than you wish to think about, including the hacked Apple utilities.

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[nahuelmarisi]

I was actually thinking of having a floppy based web server. It sounds more interesting than using a hardrive.

Besides, the only scsi external hardrive I have available is 20 mb, and it's very noisy.

 

[Mac128]

Actually, if I were going to use a SCSI HD with a Plus server, I would use a ZIP 100 drive. They are absolutely silent unless being accessed. You can get 'em really cheaply on eBay these days, too.

The novelty of setting up a server on a disk drive is very romantic and worth the effort. unfortunately once all the system stuff is loaded that doesn't leave much room for stuff to serve, even with two floppy disks, especially if any of those things are images.

As far as experimenting goes, I'd like to get a web server up and running on a 64K ROM 512k with 400K floppy drives. Now THAT would be a challenge!

Looks like the http://www.machttp.org/ software only runs on System 7.5 now though. Did earlier versions run on something else? Though this guy seems to have the latest version running under 7.0.1 on his SE http://oldmac.toddverbeek.com/

 

[nahuelmarisi]

As far as logic board goes, is the plus to fragile to have it all day on? Has anybody tried it on?

What would be best (in order of durability) a plus, SE or Classic?

 

[equill]

tomlee59 has already commented on this in your thread

http://68kmla.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2183

The increasing sophistication of manufacture with lapse of time ought to make the fan-provided 68000 Macs such as the Classic a better bet, but that guess does not include any examination of component quality changes.

In the end, nothing is likely to be more conclusive than your trying these possibilities for yourself, and publishing your results in these Forums.

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[nahuelmarisi]

Will do then, as soon as I get an asante EN/SC, i'll rotate an SE, plus and classic to see how they perform.

 

[Mac128]

Um ... isn't using the Classic kind of defeating the point of running a web server on a Mac from 1986? I mean I know they are basically the same machine (as long as you stick to 800K disks and don't cheat with 1.4MB), but ...

I tend to think of the Classic as a more fragile board ... these were the first truly miniaturized boards Apple offered vs. the 128K - SE30 which relied on tried and true logic-board assembly and stock ICs dating back to the Apple I. In any event I've heard of far more logic-board problems with them than any of the originals. I know for a fact that a 1986 Mac Plus I used in school was on and processing almost 24 hours a day for 3 years without a "system saver" fan, though it was in a climate controlled environment.

I personally would not want a "novelty" server making noise 24/7, so I would tend to opt for the Plus without a fan (as well as for bragging rights), especially if Tom Lee can figure out a way to turn off the video circuits. Then I would investigate a thermostat controlled switch for an added internal fan. Frankly I would try this on an SE or Classic as well without using the internal hard drive if I could turn off the video.

 

[equant]

I know this thread was about the lack of a *pluses* running as a webserver, but as a slight tangent, I noticed that as of the most recent netcraft report there are 133 MacHTTP servers running...

http://survey.netcraft.com/Reports/0708/byserver/MacHTTP/index.html

 

[Charlieman]

I tend to think of the Classic as a more fragile board ... these were the first truly miniaturized boards Apple offered vs. the 128K - SE30 which relied on tried and true logic-board assembly and stock ICs dating back to the Apple I.

The Plus introduced SIMMs which definitely use surface mount technology (SMT). Is there any other SMT on the Mac Plus logic board (I don't have one open to hand)?

 

[Mac128]

The Plus introduced SIMMs which definitely use surface mount technology (SMT). Is there any other SMT on the Mac Plus logic board (I don't have one open to hand)?

Ah, I stand corrected. I forgot about the SIMMs. However, I just looked at my Plus, SE & SE/30 boards and between all three, the SIMMs are the only surface mount components on them. Compare that to a Classic board I pulled where every single component is surface mount on both sides of the board no-less.