Living in an OS 9.X - ADB/SerialMac World . . .

[Trash80toHP_Mini]

What's a Wallstreet PDQ?

It's just the second Wallstreet model series (the models with L2 cache)

Thanks, NOW I know what to look for!

Actually . . . . . . 292(83 bus) models had 1MB L2. . . . . . .

WS came with 2GB HDD, PDQ came with 2, 4, 6.

Aside from that I dunno.. Rage LT vs Rage Pro LT?

Really, may as well go for 292 WallStreet over a 300Mhz PDQ because of the bus speed if you want the best of the best.

WOW! Asking for help from my comrades really IS COOL! [] ]'>

I'm not current on the PCI Bus Macs, but if anybody has questions about the NuBus Era Macs & PBs, I'm your guy! I think I've got most of the requisite books published by Apple and I've delved VERY DEEPLY into that particular Ancient Architecture!

Gotta get to work!

ciao!

 

[quinterro]

Would that town be Lizard Lick? I'm in between Raleigh and Wake Forest in the boonies myself.

Lizard Lick?????????? :?:
Nope, "The Peak of Good Living" right next door to the most malignant tumor on the face of the Triangle. CARY!

Lizard Lick is one of those one-traffic-light towns northeast of Raleigh. Actually it might be a crossroad instead of a town. I'll have to take some pictures. Reminds me of a street in Knightdale that is now called Old Knight Rd. It used to be called Jackass Rd. Liked the old name better...

I agree completely with your description of Cary. While I don't live there I have heard horror stories....

 

[waynestewart]

With the Wallstreet the processors are interchangeable and the processor module controls the bus speed. You also occasionally see a Wallstreet with an aftermarket 500mhz processor for sale.

Someday have to investigate why although the processor modules from the tray loading iMac and the wallstreet are physically interchangeable, they won't function in the other machine.

 

[Bunsen]

PDQ? /I'm not familiar with that designation/variation.

Just so's you know, it stands for Pretty D___ Quick. :lol:

With the Wallstreet the processors are interchangeable and the processor module controls the bus speed

So if you drop a 292 CPU into a PDQ, you get the 83MHz bus and the better video? Or would there be other components in the 66MHz models that choke on the higher bus speed? I guess Mark Schreier would have the answer to that.

By the way, avoid the 13.3" LCDs on the Wallstreets; they are made of lose and fail. Get the active matrix 14" if you can.

You also get SCSI, ADB, Ethernet and Localtalk, built-in support for a second spanned display, and two Cardbus slots. One of them is a Zoomed Video slot, which allows you to input composite PAL/NTSC video direct to the GPU and screen without going through the CPU. You need a special card for that, which I've forgotten the name of for the moment. IIRC, there's also a DVD decoding card which takes advantage of that feature.

Add a USB/Firewire card and you have the perfect low-footprint bridge between the Old and New worlds. It's the Beige G3 of laptops

Does the CRT have a lump-on-a-rope too? / GOT VGA?

Hey I did give you a link to the specs above, and all the other Apple monitors listed on everymac.

 

[Emehr]

Does your Rev. 2 B&W still have the good old fashioned serial port/modem port

Yep. I was just looking at that port the other day thinking "Now what am I going to use *that* for?". Guess I could plug in the 56k for old times sake! lol

Yep, I've got almost every package I've ever bought, each in its own Zip-Loc bag w/docs, distribution media and the informative parts of the boxes cut & flattened in the bag for ID purposes.

Ah, a fellow preservationist! I still have all of my boxes too, lovingly unfolded and flattened in a tote somewhere. :lol:

Wallstreet PDQ / portable version of the last of the ADB Macs!

What's a Wallstreet PDQ?

I'm slow to the response party as it seems some fellow MLA'ers answered this one. Lots of good information in this thread. I was unaware of the bus speed differences between the original Wallstreets and the PDQ's.

 

[Trash80toHP_Mini]

serial port/modem port

Yep. I was just looking at that port the other day thinking "Now what am I going to use *that* for?"

There are loads of peripherals for OS 9 that interface with the serial port, collect some! [] ]'>

Ah, a fellow preservationist!

Preservationists RULE!

I'm slow to the response party as it seems some fellow MLA'ers answered this one. Lots of good information in this thread. I was unaware of the bus speed differences between the original Wallstreets and the PDQ's.

THAT's the joy of starting one of these little parties! Information just oozes outta' the woodwork here at the 68kMLA. If we'd been STRICTLY ON TOPIC - whatever the heck THAT might be - we wouldn't have gotten half the info that's surfaced in this thread. Let's keep it going, it's those little offhand comments that keep the troops moving!

Thank you very much for getting the Wallstreet ball rolling, that's the important, initial step, comrade!

 

[Unknown_K]

My 13" 292Mhz Wallstreet acts up once every few months for a second and thats it (video), it is probably the fastest stock Wallstreet made because of the 83Mhz bus speed. The second generation Wallstreets were the ones that could drop video down to 640x480 and 800x600 if needed (a bit blocky at 640x480).

The original Beige G3 systems also could do 83Mhz bus speed while later ones were stuck at 66Mhz, kind of a step backwards.

One of these days I will get a ADB drawing pad, all I have now are keyboards, trackballs, joysticks, and mice (and a stack of adb dongles).

The local recycler has a Beige G3 (233 I think) stock tower for $20, not sure I will bother getting it since I have one (running at 466 currently).

There is something cool about beige macs, I like my B&W's but thats around the time Apple went trendy with form over function.

 

[MacJunky]

The second generation Wallstreets were the ones that could drop video down to 640x480 and 800x600 if needed (a bit blocky at 640x480).

It did not expand the lower resolutions to fit the display, it just displayed the resolutions using only one real pixel per one visible pixel and had massive black borders around the sides. Sure it was not blocky or fuzzy but it was tiny.It is nice that it could at least use smaller resolutions but they were pretty annoying to use. Things like StarCraft were quite lame scrunched that small and some games did not work at all for some reason.

 

[LCGuy]

Yeah, I remember back in 1999 I went to an Apple Roadshow event they had here, where they used to demo the new stuff that had recently come out (in this case, it was the slot load iMacs, the Power Mac G4, the iBook, with AirPort, and Mac OS 9), anyway they had a 14" Wallstreet running a PowerPoint presentation on a projector, and of course in order to do so, they had to set the display to 800x600, and I remember thinking how horrible it would be to use at that resolution.

 

[Unknown_K]

It did not expand the lower resolutions to fit the display, it just displayed the resolutions using only one real pixel per one visible pixel and had massive black borders around the sides.

You must be thinking about the original Wallstreets because the rev 2 models did fit the whole screen in 640x480 and 800x600 modes on the LCD (you were stuck with 1024x768 on the original).

 

[Trash80toHP_Mini]

There is something cool about beige macs, I like my B&W's but thats around the time Apple went trendy with form over function.

That'd be the effect of the woz's idiot, blue jeans/designer t-shirt wearin' partner coming back without a REAL COMPUTER GUY (read:the woz, obviously [] ]'> ) to keep said idiot in line. I know he ostensibly saved the company with such gimmicky computers as the iMac & Cube (?) etc, but those products were YEARS in development, long before the (volatile) steve brought his (miserable failure) NeXT technology back to Apple.

El Steevo, never liked beige and barely tolerated platinum, add that to the most anally retentive form over function designer extant, and you've got a computer company living off such NON-COMPUTER $-Cows as iPods, iTunes, and most recently iPhones.

Don't even START to remind me about convergence, I'm WELL aware of it, but the Open Source Steam-Roller is going to make an abrupt turn south immediately after "visiting" Redmond and a certain absurd dwelling place!

IMHO, of course . . . }

. . . to get back on topic . . . : . . . I'm glad so many of my comrades have come together to share info, stories, wants, needs & outrageous plans/desires with me in this attempt to create the most perfect OS 9.X - ADB/SerialMac Escape Pod from the harsh world of Windows & Feline foo-fooery . . . [ }

BTW, ubuntu, side comments AND SUBJECT MATTER are MORE THAN WELCOME IN THIS THREAD! }

 

[Trash80toHP_Mini]

THAT'S THE ONE! / VGA port??

IIRC it was only made in Blueberry / it shipped with a standard VGA connector

Later models were also colored Graphite, to match the first G4s.

Some of these suffer from flyback failure. If you are purchasing one, test it first for at least 3 minutes by connecting it to a VGA source. Any popping noises or sudden squeezes/zoom effects in the tube should disqualify the purchase. I wind up recycling 2 out of every 5 of these displays I get due to the flyback.

Thanks for the troubleshooting guide, just copied the quotes above into a WP Document to throw onscreen during testing.

Thanks, comrades, it'll even help with dickering over price! }

 

[Mike Richardson]

I like my B&W's but thats around the time Apple went trendy with form over function.

/ such gimmicky computers as the iMac & Cube (?) etc, but those products were YEARS in development, long before the (volatile) steve brought his (miserable failure) NeXT technology back to Apple.

The iMac was the right product at the right time.

- Inexpensive price, powerful processor - but it had no PCI slots, so it didn't cannibalize G3 sales.

- Joe Sixpack home users rarely use PCI slots - the iMac already had Ethernet onboard, USB took care of almost everything else.

- The colors got people to notice Macs. It was a huge refresh, these machines look different, they are different. Think Different and buy one.

A lot of the work on the iMac was already started with Steve Jobs came aboard, so it can not be entirely attributed to him.

The Cube is a different story:

- Too expensive. Tried to be as powerful as a tower G4 in a tiny package, but most people would rather have the bigger cheaper G4.

The Mac mini got it right - small size, small price. That's an ENTIRE computer in there - and still pretty powerful (but not as much as a G5 or Mac Pro).

 

[MacJunky]

You must be thinking about the original Wallstreets because the rev 2 models did fit the whole screen in 640x480 and 800x600 modes on the LCD (you were stuck with 1024x768 on the original).

Thy why does my originally 266MHz w/66MHz bus PowerBook G3 that I later dropped a 300MHz CPU into keep the res 1:1 with the physical pixels?(black borders)Come to think of it I am not sure if I ever tried lowering the res in anything other than a couple games that it played very badly.

To be fair I have no idea if the logicboard was ever replaced. All I know is that it came to me with a 266MHz CPU and 4GB HDD so matches PDQ specs more than WS specs..

I could prop the display up on something and grab a bootable OS 9 CD and see what video chipset it has then tear it down and check for logicboard model number so we could see if Apple ever mixed boards or parts on the boards between the WS/PDQ.

 

[Trash80toHP_Mini]

he ostensibly saved the company with such gimmicky computers as the iMac & Cube (?) etc, but those products were YEARS in development, long before the (volatile) steve brought his (miserable failure) NeXT technology back to Apple.

The iMac was the right product at the right time.

I couldn't agree more . . . about the iMac, it's just that I CAN'T STAND THAT ARROGANT PISSANT! >

- Inexpensive price, powerful processor - but it had no PCI slots, so it didn't cannibalize G3 sales.- Joe Sixpack home users rarely use PCI slots - the iMac already had Ethernet onboard, USB took care of almost everything else.

- The colors got people to notice Macs. It was a huge refresh, these machines look different, they are different. Think Different and buy one.

Agreed!

A lot of the work on the iMac was already started with Steve Jobs came aboard, so it can not be entirely attributed to him.

erm . . . I think that that's what I said! [] ]'> . . . but the black clad bozo tried to take ALL the credit!

IMHO, of course! [] ]'>

 

[Trash80toHP_Mini]

Well, I'm back from behind enemy lines again and I brought back a Blueberry Bundle, another MordorSoft Ergonomic KBD, to complete the pair I need for yet another KBD HackAthon . . .

. . . maybe I'll farm out the PCB production and cut all the little boards apart after one big board is fabbed . . .

. . . like they did with chips back in the early (before recorded history) VLSI era. :I

Also snagged a nifty Dell PII Clone with Windows 95 on it, of all things! That's what the sticker said . . .

. . . but it also said it was worth $25-$50! :lol:

Mostly I got it for the ubuntuGIMPboxHack because it's got a beige CD-ROM Burner AND a beige internal ZIP drive!

Testing will follow later, after I blow the dust hippos outta' that FILTHY POS!

I'm letting the Studio Display cool off before doing further testing . . . but I have a sneaking suspicion that my plastic fish have found their new abode. The monitor is drop dead gorgeous, there's NO DIRT or DUST AT ALL, inside the case or even much on the outside. Didn't these thing's innards attract dirt like a magnet?

The hardwired VGA Cable had never been unwrapped and apart from a few scratches on the top edges, probably picked up at the thrift shop, it looks to be N.I.B. condition and the picture quality is just awesome. but after about five minutes I get a little antsy and every time I try to fiddle with the resolution it goes blank and I can sometimes get it back up again for a bit, but methinks there's something rotten in the state of the blueberry patch.

Whatever, I got lotsa' neat hackable parts, maybe even a "working" '95'd PII ("working" and '95 were seldom seen in the same paragraph, much less in the same sentence!) and . . .

. . . change back from my $30.00 BILL! [] ]'>

 

[waynestewart]

So if you drop a 292 CPU into a PDQ, you get the 83MHz bus and the better video? Or would there be other components in the 66MHz models that choke on the higher bus speed? I guess Mark Schreier would have the answer to that.

My first wallstreet was a 233 mhz with no cache and a 66mhz bus. A friend gave me a 292 mhz processor and after that I also had an 83 mhz bus speed. Still had the crappy video and 12 inch screen but it sure was faster.

 

[Trash80toHP_Mini]

Testing will follow later, after I blow the dust hippos outta' that FILTHY POS!

Did I say dust hippos? Definitely LARGER than THAT! I've NEVER seen such a MASSIVE cloud of dust exit a computer like this. 8-o

But it does boot into '95, the CD works in read mode and the ZIP drive wanted to reformat a Mac Zip, so all's good so far on that front.

That BlueBerry thing is lookin' more & more like plastic fish housing every minute . . . >

 

[quinterro]

Lizard Lick?????????? :?:

A street sign about 1.5 miles from the 'intersection' - sorry about the lighting. Sometimes taking pictures with a cell phone sucks...

 

[Trash80toHP_Mini]

Did I say dust hippos? Definitely LARGER than THAT! I've NEVER seen such a MASSIVE cloud of dust exit a computer like this. 8-o
But it does boot into '95, the CD works in read mode and the ZIP drive wanted to reformat a Mac Zip, so all's good so far on that front.

Just for kicks, I tried to choke the WinTel sucker (POS) to death with the ubuntu FULL distrib CD, it actually got the background up and what looked like top and bottom (blank of course) menu bars before . . .

. . . dropping as dead as if it had been pole-axed! HeHeHeh!!!!! }

That BlueBerry thing is lookin' more & more like plastic fish housing every minute . . . >

That Blueberry, Tripod Mounted CRT might not be quite ready for the gutting knife yet, I get a full five minutes out of it before I ever see a jitter and then I've only seen one pop/zoom event/thingie after it had been running for over 15 minutes.

Once I get a B&W G-3 (none too soon, due to $ constraints) or its temporary substitute online as a plotter server, I can just set the screen to blank after 3 or 4 minutes, it doesn't take long to get a job rolling, so I don't need the monitor any longer than that.

Whatcha think, gang?