IRC Behavioural Issues.

[Unknown_K]

For the most part I get along ok with 99% of people. The original 68mla irc channel on EFNET never had too many issues untill diaz took it over. I never had to ban anybody from the one on undernet (I did kick somebody who was acting up once). Just seems like the one on newnet is nothing but a problem.

I don't think it is just an age issue because I got along great with Cory way back when he was in HS, never had issues with PatrickCool and he just got out of diapers (j/k) recently. It is just a matter of maturity, knowing when to stop kidding around before you hurt somebodies feelings or you make people embarrased and unwelcome.

Some people think you can do whatever you want on the internet, I think that in any social gathering (online or in person) you need to respect the people around you.

 

[madmax_2069]

For the most part I get along ok with 99% of people. The original 68mla irc channel on EFNET never had too many issues untill diaz took it over. I never had to ban anybody from the one on undernet (I did kick somebody who was acting up once). Just seems like the one on newnet is nothing but a problem.
I don't think it is just an age issue because I got along great with Cory way back when he was in HS, never had issues with PatrickCool and he just got out of diapers (j/k) recently. It is just a matter of maturity, knowing when to stop kidding around before you hurt somebodies feelings or you make people embarrased and unwelcome.

Some people think you can do whatever you want on the internet, I think that in any social gathering (online or in person) you need to respect the people around you.

couldn't put it any better myself

the mature ones know where that line is , the immature ones don't even know what that means so they constantly disrespect, dont follow rules, dont stop doing something even when asked to do so, from the OP's or the people they are disrespecting.

but like you said, things in the 68kmla channel isn't going to change until people grow up ( i remember saying in the channel before that maturity isn't determined by the age of the person, but by how the person act's). a community cant evolve with people acting the way some people act in 68kmla. its slowly de-evolving the community for the lack of better terms, and that in itself can kill a community over time. i have seen things like this destroy a few online communities i use to belonged to.

Cory and others sees this and doesn't want this to happen, and neither do i. its painful to watch it happen and even more painful if it does to some.

 

[SiliconValleyPirate]

I've joined and quit the 68kmla IRC channel twice now (I left last a couple of years back) because of exactly this purile and stupid behaviour, a good dose of which found it';s way to me. My rules are simple - the Internet is my social life, so if it's not fun or people are pissing me off that's enough for me to leave. Sometimes I try to ride it out and smooth the waters, which has worked in the past, but the MLA IRC room was, and from the sounds of it still is, just a ridiculous soup of playground 'you foo' and name calling.

You need mature and sensible moderators with big 'kickban' axes and a sign up that says 'grow up or get out' IMHO. No, I'm not volunteering either. I don't have a level enough head, and it's got me into trouble in IRC channels in the past, so I'm not suitable, and I'm not afraid to admit that.

I hope you find some way to sort it out, but frankly the age bracket this site attracts is prone to this type of behaviour in social settings so it's only to be expected.

 

[Mr. 680x0]

When it comes to discussing 68k Macs, the IRC channel has been pretty useless for quite a while. Almost none of the discussion relates to old Macs.

If you're looking to discuss 68k Macs, you'd have to find another channel that actually does discuss them :/

 

[Cory5412]

Honestly, for discussing 68k Macs, alk has got it right, this forum is where that should happen.

The channel exists primarily for people like SVP, who have said the Internet is their social life, or for people who happen to be online at similar times, and would like to discuss something in real-time, sometimes it's more helpful than the forums.

Most of the time, it's way better just to ask a question on the forum.

That said, I don't think that the 68kMLA channel is without purpose, it catches a lot of the stuff that would otherwise end up in the Lounge on this forum, stuff that really does not need to be posted on this forum. Things like "what are you eating right now?" and "what is your desktop picture?" Community things that nobody is going to care about in five years when somebody new to the 68k scene wants to know the best system on which to run The Writing Center.

Make no mistake about it, This isn't something I just started noticing yesterday, but in general, I try not to be an operator who has nothing better to do than kickban people. Under the rule of a more strict operator, half of the channel would have been kickbanned long, long ago.

I've tried tight control, I went as far as completely silencing the channel for a full week. I've tried letting the channel self-moderate itself, only receiving occasional little hints.

What's next?

 

[MacJunky]

What's next?

I still think you should give people a predetermined number of warnings then when they are up remove the disruptive person from the channel with a kickban and no second thoughts or arguments. If they try to evade the initial ban put a more strict one in place.Eventually the worst people that were acting as a catalyst for the rest of the channel will hopefully be gone.

When you are giving a warning have you ever tried de-voicing them and setting the channel to +m? I find it nice for keeping them from bitching and disturbing while you are typing.

As for keeping track of warnings though.. You could have a plain text file on a server that you have write access to and as people get warned just add them to the file and put a number for warnings by the nick&hostaddy. That way people could see how close they were to being removed and at least be careful. Or so one would hope anyway.

I don't know. I left right after the one week +m as some might remember.

 

[Unknown_K]

People are lemmings for the most part. Like I said before one guy starts something up and the rest follow along, kickban the instigator and the rest shut up and talk about something else. If you let things get so bad that everybody takes turn being an instigator then you basically have to flush half the channel. You have to decide what the rules are , post them in a FAQ link, and make sure the rules apply to everyone fairly. Some things you can talk to people about not doing them again, others its a do it once and get the boot forever type thing.

If nobody wants to police the channel, and the members do not want to follow the rules you can just shut the channel down for good.

You have to understand that the official 68kmla IRC channel represents the forum, one can make the other look very bad.

 

[Bolle]

You have to understand that the official 68kmla IRC channel represents the forum, one can make the other look very bad.

especially with the IRC client built into the 68kmla site... people that stumble into the channel will leave quickly again, if there is one of the fights going on

 

[MacTCP]

If bad people are continued to be banned, everything should be fine. :b&w:

 

[Mr. 680x0]

If bad people are continued to be banned, everything should be fine. :b&w:

Like how you were banned for causing trouble and being disgusting?

 

[SiliconValleyPirate]

I'm with Cory and Unknown_K all the way here. People need to set down the rules in stone and enforce them evenly and fairly. It's how the channels I have modded on, and the best ones I just hang around in, are run, and it works well.

General rules I've worked under before are:

- Treat others as you want to be treated. Excessively degrading, insulting or intimidating behavior is grounds for an instant ban for a set period and, in extreme cases, a permaban.

- Be Reasonable.

- Respect other's viewpoints and ideas as much as you expect yours to be respected.

- Keep language civil and swear/cuss words to a minimum - excessive bad-mouthing and swear/cussing will result in a warning, continued refusal to acknowledge warnings will result in a set period ban, and any further persistent violation a permaban.

- No infringements of Copyright or the Law.

- No Porn (by which I mean 'real' pornography) or Warez (or similar illegal items) to be mentioned, linked to, or traded.

- If you are having a bad day don't take it out on people in IRC.

- Moderators are not here to make your life miserable they are here to keep everyone civil, happy and getting along.

Adherence to a simple set of rules like this (and any others I might have missed) are the foundations of a civil, mature and fun IRC channel. Hell if you can make it work I might even come back

 

[MacTCP]

If bad people are continued to be banned, everything should be fine. :b&w:

Like how you were banned for causing trouble and being disgusting?

:

Just let me point out some things:

1. I never sweared just so you know.

2. These "disgusting things" weren't any more disgusting than the "iSecks" and "fapping in the shower" discussions you all had numerous times.

3. The "disgusting thing" I said was in response to something said to me under the same topic.

4. I never "caused trouble" or "picked fights." That was never done by me.

 

[madmax_2069]

I'm with Cory and Unknown_K all the way here. People need to set down the rules in stone and enforce them evenly and fairly. It's how the channels I have modded on, and the best ones I just hang around in, are run, and it works well.
General rules I've worked under before are:

- Treat others as you want to be treated. Excessively degrading, insulting or intimidating behavior is grounds for an instant ban for a set period and, in extreme cases, a permaban.

- Be Reasonable.

- Respect other's viewpoints and ideas as much as you expect yours to be respected.

- Keep language civil and swear/cuss words to a minimum - excessive bad-mouthing and swear/cussing will result in a warning, continued refusal to acknowledge warnings will result in a set period ban, and any further persistent violation a permaban.

- No infringements of Copyright or the Law.

- No Porn (by which I mean 'real' pornography) or Warez (or similar illegal items) to be mentioned, linked to, or traded.

- If you are having a bad day don't take it out on people in IRC.

- Moderators are not here to make your life miserable they are here to keep everyone civil, happy and getting along.

Adherence to a simple set of rules like this (and any others I might have missed) are the foundations of a civil, mature and fun IRC channel. Hell if you can make it work I might even come back

a very good set of rules if i might say so myself. if these was put into stone i myself might also come back. those rules should go for normal user and OP alike

 

[MacTCP]

I'm with Cory and Unknown_K all the way here. People need to set down the rules in stone and enforce them evenly and fairly. It's how the channels I have modded on, and the best ones I just hang around in, are run, and it works well.
General rules I've worked under before are:

- Treat others as you want to be treated. Excessively degrading, insulting or intimidating behavior is grounds for an instant ban for a set period and, in extreme cases, a permaban.

- Be Reasonable.

- Respect other's viewpoints and ideas as much as you expect yours to be respected.

- Keep language civil and swear/cuss words to a minimum - excessive bad-mouthing and swear/cussing will result in a warning, continued refusal to acknowledge warnings will result in a set period ban, and any further persistent violation a permaban.

- No infringements of Copyright or the Law.

- No Porn (by which I mean 'real' pornography) or Warez (or similar illegal items) to be mentioned, linked to, or traded.

- If you are having a bad day don't take it out on people in IRC.

- Moderators are not here to make your life miserable they are here to keep everyone civil, happy and getting along.

Adherence to a simple set of rules like this (and any others I might have missed) are the foundations of a civil, mature and fun IRC channel. Hell if you can make it work I might even come back

Ironically, I never broke any of these, despite being banned.

 

[Mr. 680x0]

Ironically, I never broke any of these, despite being banned.

You made some EXTREMELY disgusting comments though.

 

[MacTCP]

Ironically, I never broke any of these, despite being banned.

You made some EXTREMELY disgusting comments though.

They weren't permaban-worthy. Besides, they weren't worse than any of that disgusting stuff everyone else was posting. I mean people trick people into erasing their hard drive, and do they get banned?

 

[Mr. 680x0]

They weren't permaban-worthy. Besides, they weren't worse than any of that disgusting stuff everyone else was posting.

It was really disgusting. It was perma ban worthy so we wouldn't have to hear anything like that again. And nothing disgusting at all has been said in a long time, at least when I've been on.

 

[MacTCP]

I've heard far worse. The least you could do is warn of a permaban.

 

[Mr. 680x0]

I've heard far worse. The least you could do is warn of a permaban.

Nothing worse than what you said has EVER ben mentioned in there. And you were warned.

 

[MacTCP]

#68kMLA should be family friendly. Try to ask yourselves these two questions when writing something in the channel: "Would I feel bad about saying this to a six year old girl?" and "Would I want this to be the first word my own child said?"

I'd feel much more comfortable saying what I said to a six year old girl. They'd probably laugh at my joke and go "poo poo!", but nevertheless aside from that, I'd never say "fapping jokes" to one. So according to the rules, what I said wasn't any more offensive than the "fapping jokes" said by many others, possibly less.

-simply unfairness-