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Installing Copland
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TylerEss
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Touché. I guess it's just Mach-like but not UNIX.
I wouldn't say I'm working on getting it running, but I do have a 7500 that I would love to have as a triple-boot 7.5.4/Copland/Rhapsody rig. I dunno what the use would be, but it would be cool. Maybe someday I'll get around to it...
Were there any other Copland leaks besides the two we all know about? I remember a Copland CD being sold on eBay a couple years back; the seller said it was "mostly useful" which would agree with the hersay about some engineers using it day-to-day. Does anybody know what version that was?
Also, what about the build of MacOS 9 with protected memory? Does anybody have that?
TylerEss
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Patrickool93
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Igot 7.5.3 installed on the P6116. Not much loger, and I'll see
protocol7
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I just managed to get D11E4 installed on my 7500. I replaced the G3 accelerator with a 150Mhz 604, initialized the hard disk with the version of Drive Setup that came with Copland (not necessary but I figured I'd do it anyway) and installed a fresh copy of 7.5.3 followed by D11E4.
Holding down Caps Lock it booted to the animated MacOS logo (very cool) and then hung to "Microkernel initialization starting...". So I hooked up my Classic II with the PowerMac Debugger (I could have used my 5400 but where's the fun in that) and tried again. The debugger came up with "Access Fault" and "No kernel stacks available!". Flummoxed for a bit I had a think and concluded that "stacks" sounded an awful lot like it was having a problem allocating memory. I had 96MB in the 7500 so I pulled out the 64Mb chip and tried again with 32MB. And this time it booted right up. It's still pretty crash-happy (and using a 68k machine with 4MB RAM with VM enabled for debugging is really not a great idea) but here's a few pics to get started. I'll switch to the 5400 tomorrow and see how many other snaps I can get.
The Setup
Ready to Install
Microkernel Booting
Apple Menu (pretty empty)
Processes
Chooser (note the OT icon)
Houston, we have a...
To somebody, this may actually mean something
Holding down Caps Lock it booted to the animated MacOS logo (very cool) and then hung to "Microkernel initialization starting...". So I hooked up my Classic II with the PowerMac Debugger (I could have used my 5400 but where's the fun in that) and tried again. The debugger came up with "Access Fault" and "No kernel stacks available!". Flummoxed for a bit I had a think and concluded that "stacks" sounded an awful lot like it was having a problem allocating memory. I had 96MB in the 7500 so I pulled out the 64Mb chip and tried again with 32MB. And this time it booted right up. It's still pretty crash-happy (and using a 68k machine with 4MB RAM with VM enabled for debugging is really not a great idea) but here's a few pics to get started. I'll switch to the 5400 tomorrow and see how many other snaps I can get.
The Setup
Ready to Install
Microkernel Booting
Apple Menu (pretty empty)
Processes
Chooser (note the OT icon)
Houston, we have a...
To somebody, this may actually mean something
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Dennis Nedry
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Oh my GOD you actually have it running. Does it crash after a few minutes or can you keep using it for a while? What happens if you launch regular Mac apps? What does Apple+option+escape do? I hear that there are appearance themes that work only on Copland and are not compatible with Mac OS 8.5 themes, have you tried those?
protocol7
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It crashes if I even think about it. Windows redrawing slows to a crawl and then the Finder craps out. Word is that taking screenshots has this effect but that's what I'm trying to do at this early stage. I think having the debugger helps to a degree but it's painfully slow right now. However it does stay up so-to-speak. I tried without the debugger attached but it won't boot without it. I've added a couple of new pics of it in its current crashed state.
That crash ended up corrupting the hard disk so I have to wipe and reinstall. Work resumes tomorrow but here's the last pic I managed to dump. Love the System Folder icon.
That crash ended up corrupting the hard disk so I have to wipe and reinstall. Work resumes tomorrow but here's the last pic I managed to dump. Love the System Folder icon.
protocol7
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Day 2...
After doing a fresh install I can boot into it without having the debugger attached. Now it runs just as smooth as 7.5.x etc. I guess using the bare-minimum 68k machine for debugging wasn't such a good idea alright. It runs pretty well but will freeze up after taking a screenshot, requiring a reset. I checked out the 3 apps in the Mac OS 8 Applications folder. Monitors is much like the regular CP. But GXSlidemaster is pretty neat. It seems to be a QuickDraw GX-powered slideshow program. I've included some snaps taken of it in action.
I'm also using the animated "Gizmo" theme (called "Z Theme" here). There's no control panel to change appearance, so you have to rename it to "Default Theme" to activate it. I tried putting in the "Hi Tech" theme from 8.2 but it froze up before it could load the desktop.
I tried a few standard Mac OS apps. Apple Video Player locked up the system. Apple CD Player couldn't find a cdrom drive (and the system will fail early into boot if there's a cd in the drive). Fetch ran but I didn't have TCP/IP set up to see if it could connect. Stuffit Expander ran but when I tried to open the preferences it locked up the system.
And now it's screenie time:
Desktop again (showing Input Menu)
GXSlidemaster (now using the "Z Theme")
GXSlidemaster debug menu
GXSlidemaster "Perspected View"
GXSlidemaster "Rotated View"
Using this OS is highly illogical, Captain
The ResEdit 3 developer build is a native Copland app. Here we can see how Copland's nested (aka messy) file dialog boxes looked
Shaky cellphone-cam footage of GXSlidemaster in action (up to when it locks up the system)
I've tried hooking up my 5400 as debug machine but for some reason the debugger just doesn't kick in. I'm about to wipe and try D7E1...
After doing a fresh install I can boot into it without having the debugger attached. Now it runs just as smooth as 7.5.x etc. I guess using the bare-minimum 68k machine for debugging wasn't such a good idea alright. It runs pretty well but will freeze up after taking a screenshot, requiring a reset. I checked out the 3 apps in the Mac OS 8 Applications folder. Monitors is much like the regular CP. But GXSlidemaster is pretty neat. It seems to be a QuickDraw GX-powered slideshow program. I've included some snaps taken of it in action.
I'm also using the animated "Gizmo" theme (called "Z Theme" here). There's no control panel to change appearance, so you have to rename it to "Default Theme" to activate it. I tried putting in the "Hi Tech" theme from 8.2 but it froze up before it could load the desktop.
I tried a few standard Mac OS apps. Apple Video Player locked up the system. Apple CD Player couldn't find a cdrom drive (and the system will fail early into boot if there's a cd in the drive). Fetch ran but I didn't have TCP/IP set up to see if it could connect. Stuffit Expander ran but when I tried to open the preferences it locked up the system.
And now it's screenie time:
Desktop again (showing Input Menu)
GXSlidemaster (now using the "Z Theme")
GXSlidemaster debug menu
GXSlidemaster "Perspected View"
GXSlidemaster "Rotated View"
Using this OS is highly illogical, Captain
The ResEdit 3 developer build is a native Copland app. Here we can see how Copland's nested (aka messy) file dialog boxes looked
Shaky cellphone-cam footage of GXSlidemaster in action (up to when it locks up the system)
I've tried hooking up my 5400 as debug machine but for some reason the debugger just doesn't kick in. I'm about to wipe and try D7E1...
protocol7
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I don't think D7E1 is going to work here. Holding down Caps Lock on startup just boots into the regular Mac OS. There are two versions of a modified System file that need to be copied across to the "host" Mac OS. One is for 7.1.2 and the other 7.5. As the 7500 needs 7.5.2 as a minimum to boot I can't use either.
Here's two more pics just to wrap things up:
Japanese text input, popup Finder window and column view
Find is disabled (I can't find this extension to enable it)
Here's two more pics just to wrap things up:
Japanese text input, popup Finder window and column view
Find is disabled (I can't find this extension to enable it)
beachycove
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Anything further to report on this?
protocol7
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That's as far as I went with it. It crashes too much to spend any significant time in it. I get the feeling that builds closer to D11E4 may have been more stable but we only have these two. D7E1 seems to require a PDM-based Mac and I haven't seen any x100 PowerMacs in my "area". If I ever manage to get one I'll try D7E1 on it.
Really wish we could get some more Copland builds though. They must be out there somewhere.
Really wish we could get some more Copland builds though. They must be out there somewhere.
MacClassic10
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A very workable build of Copland does exist. Just watch this video of the actual Copland in action on the tv show Computer Chronicles back in 95 (at very beginning of video)
MacClassic10
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Hmmm just noticed that after watching it again... I heard there's a dp4 build that exists, that usable though.
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