how to run OS 9 and OSX on the same machine?

[mraroid]

Hi...
 
I have a Blue & White G3, soon to be updated to a G4 processor on a Yikes! motherboard.
 
I have OS 9.2.2 installed on my hard drive and all seems fine.  I tried to load Tiger (10.4).  Tiger said it had to erase the hard drive and install a new file system, so I backed off.
 
I am unsure how to have OS 9 plus OSX running on the same machine.  Do I install Tiger first, and then OS 9.22?  I thought they could live on the same partition, but that was just a guess.  I divided my hard drive into two partitions in case I have to install OS 9.22 on one partition and Tiger on the other.  Is that how it is done?
 
Apple talk is running great between my Blue & White and my Mystic Color Classic.  I have a icon on the Mystic (running 8.1).  I can down load a file on the Blue & White and drop it in the shared folder and it appears in the Color Classic.  I am *SO HAPPY* I can do this.  While my Mystic can surf the internet (like Macintosh Garden for example) moving around in Mac Garden was very slow.  Everything is much faster on the Blue & White.
 
mraroid

 

[Brett B.]

They can be on the same partition, however, how is the hard drive formatted now?  Mac OS standard or Mac OS extended?  That may be part of the problem.

 

[mraroid]

They can be on the same partition, however, how is the hard drive formatted now?  Mac OS standard or Mac OS extended?  That may be part of the problem.

Hummm.  I installed OS 9.2.1 accepting all the defaults.  I just booted to my 9.2.1 apple CD and ran disk repair on my hard drive to see if it would tell me.  It says:

Checking "Mac OS Standard" Volume Structure

Checking Wrapper System File

Checking "Mac OS Extended" Volume Structure

Checking for locked Volume name

I do not have any tools (that I know of) to check my format type.

I take it I should choose Mac OS Extended when I install OS 9.2.2?

I can re install the OS again if need be.

Do you think that is it?

Thank you for helping me.

mraroid

 

[Brett B.]

I believe you must use Extended aka HFS+ on a partition that will also have OS X on it.  OS 9 doesn't really care.  

Someone will correct me if I'm leading you astray here, it has been quite a few years since I was reinstalling Tiger on a regular basis.

 

[mraroid]

Just looked in Drive Setup.  It said my partition was Mac OS Extended.  I see other, non Mac format options other then standard.

Maybe I need to install OS X first, then install OS 9 after that?

If I install OSX first, which file format option should I choose? 

Thanks again for the help.

mraroid

 

[AlpineRaven]

I find it easier to install OSX.4 first then OS9 on the top - you can install both OS on the same HDD or seperate HDD.
Cheers

AP

 

[mraroid]

I find it easier to install OSX.4 first then OS9 on the top

OK.  Thank you AR.  I will give that a try.

mraroid

 

[Brett B.]

Interesting.  I don't think I've ever installed OS X first on a dual boot machine.  Keep us updated, I'm sure it's something simple.

 

[mraroid]

I will report back.  I just realized that my Tiger disks are DVDs and the stock optical reader in my Blue & White is a CD reader only.  Guess I need to upgrade my optical drive.

I do have two Jaguar CDs, so I will try that.

Thanks to everyone for the help.

mraroid

 

[mraroid]

I had another idea.  I have read that Apple issued two firmware updates to the G3 Blue & White.  One update is called 1.1 and the second one is called 1.2.

Can I go into my B&W and check which firmware update is installed?

Also, can anyone post a link to the firmware updates?

I should probably do this before I do anything else...

mraroid

 

[Trash80toHP_Mini]

I have OSX that I don't use installed on a partition of 9.2.2 boot drive I use occasionally. Dunno how I got that done many years ago, but I wouldn't do it again, ever. If one OS has a catastrophic failure it can chew up the entire drive. HDD prices aren't what they were when those machines and operating systems were new and make keeping different operating systems on their own drives a great strategy IMO.

On the B&W front, there are the original, first release boards which can be problematic or are less capable anyway and a much better revised version. I'd check that first. I got a B&W board for a bridge machine build and dropped it right out of the starting gate when I learned about that difference and checked my board.

 

[Brett B.]

Apple System Profiler under your Apple menu in OS9 should tell you what firmware version you have installed... or you could just try installing one or the other and see if it fails because it's already installed.  

These might be useful links:

http://lowendmac.com/lab/05/0301.html

http://lowendmac.com/macdan/md07/1207.html

 

[mraroid]

I found something called:

Boot ROM Version - 1.1f4

That might be it.  I will read the links posted to find out.

Thank you again.

mraroid

 

[mraroid]

I found links to the firmware updates for the Blue & White.  But none of the web sites can be accessed from the browsers I have on the blue & white.  So I guess I will have to pass on the updates for now, and just press on.

On the B&W front, there are the original, first release boards which can be problematic or are less capable anyway and a much better revised version. I'd check that first.

I have the V2 board in my Blue & White.  So I hope that helps.

mraroid

 

[mraroid]

Hello...
 
 To recap, I have a Blue & White G3, 400Mhz, V2 motherboard and a 128 GB solid state hard drive.
 
At first I instilled 9.2.1 from my Apple branded CD and then updated it to 9.2.2.  Then I tried to install Jaguar (10.2.3) from my Apple branded CDs.  It would not take it.  So I wiped the drive and installed 10.2.3.  During install, I found a option box (which was already checked) that said to check this box, if you want to install 9.2 drivers.  So I left that box checked.  The install went fine with no errors.  I could do a cold boot and a reboot and it all looked good. 
 
I popped in my 9.2.1 CD and tried to do a install. But 9.2.1 wanted to restart to the CD and do the install so that is what happened.  It booted to the CD, and then I started the install.  I got a screen that said I had to select a folder to install 9.2.1 and it directed me to a second screen.  On that screen, the only thing listed was the one hard drive I have, and it was listed as 10.2.3.  It said that selection could not take 9.2.1. 
 
That was yesterday.  I have tried to do this install over and over several times, trying different things and nothing has worked.  I tried again today and still no luck.
 
I thought an early OSX and OS 9.2 could live together on the same partition?  I have tried every option I can think of, and I can not make it happen. 
 
If all else fails, I suspect I can make two partitions and install an early OSX on one, and 9.2.2 on the other partition.   But I would rather figure out what I am doing wrong and fix it.

 
I have an adapter on the SATA solid state drive that converts it back to ATA.  I removed it and tried another one but that did not change anything.  When I run disk first aid, it can not find anything wrong with my hard drive. It is not suppose to be this hard.  I thought it was common to have OS 9.22 and a early OSX live on the same partition. 
 
Can anyone give me any pointers?
 
Thanks
 
mraroid
 
 
 
 
 

 

[mraroid]

 If one OS has a catastrophic failure it can chew up the entire drive. HDD prices aren't what they were when those machines and operating systems were new and make keeping different operating systems on their own drives a great strategy IMO.

I may have to do that Trash.  I cannot get them to live together on the same partition.  One drive and two partitions?  Or two drives? 

Thoughts?

mraroid

 

[nglevin]

This is not an answer, at all, mostly reminiscing on the not always great times.., I remember having trouble getting OS 9 and OS X 10.4 to work on the same partition on a Sawtooth many years ago.

Was it "common" to have OS 9 running with OS X? Sure, sort of. There was a gnarly period where OS X was the future that not everybody was ready for up until OS 9 was pronounced dead when Panther (10.3) was ready for prime time. That brief period was Mac OS X 10.2 with a Classic-ready Mac OS 9 directory sold as an option. Essentially Apple was in awkward OS transition mode while they were keeping the company afloat with iPod sales, the iMac G4 got some headlines in Macworld and TIME but wasn't as successful as hoped. Web browsing sucked until Safari got better. Firefox was bloated and slow. Internet Explorer, get outta here.  :  OS 9 didn't even have a Firefox.

Oh those were the days that I don't miss.

I think that's why I keep Mac OS 9 in its own partition, its own world when possible. It's great for running 90s software fast, but 2000s software never felt right on it.

 

[mraroid]

Well, if I can't figure it out, I will do the same and load each OS onto a separate partition.

It has been quite vexing.....  :-(

mraroid

 

[Trash80toHP_Mini]

Sequester each OS on own HDD and choose one or the other as your boot disk for any given session. Work files made under either OS stay on that drive, but back each set of files up in a folder on the other drive. You could set each drive up with the OS and apps in its own large partition with a small second partition for backups from its opposite number.

Redundancy rocks. Two real drives are ALWAYS better than one drive with two partitions. Not always practical, but better wherever, whenever for whatever. :approve: