Help on connecting SE/30 to LAN/router

[razo]

Hi, I have a recapped SE/30 with an ethernetcard installed with driver. Then I am using a Vonets VM300 Wifi-bridge connected to the ethernetconnector from the SE/30, which is configured and connects to my WIFI-router. When I connect the Vonets to the Asante card I get a steady green light on the LED next to the ethernetconnetor on the back of the SE/30. I just want to ask for  tips on how to configure the SE/30 and my WIFI-router to make them see each other. I want to use this to FTP files between my OSX10.11 iMac and the SE/30. I will only use this for file transfers, no internet or email. I have manually set the TCP address of the SE/30, so that it is different from my iMAC and router IP addresses, here is the screen on the MacTCP control panel:

For the SE/30 to be recognized I guess I must manually set up the SE/30´s IP address in the router configuration page? (shown in picture). If this is correct, is there a quick way to check if the connection is working and the SE/30 can see the router? Are there further steps I must take to make FTP work on this system?
I am planning to use the FTP program NetPresenz 4.1 for file transfers on the SE/30.
Any help appreciated.
 

 

[SE30_Neal]

Does your router/switch accept half duplexing? That was the issue i had with attempting to get my se/30 on to a modern broadband connection. Yes steady green light but no transfer! 

Neal

p.s Ftp might work but 10.11 wont be able to read the older se/30 os like system 7, I believe 10.4.3 or 10.4.4 tiger were the last versions of os x to do so. File transfer is a pain. I confess to just buying a cheap PowerPc and a zip drive to get me going initially with me SE/30. Once I’d got the software and drivers i needed and brought a half duplex switch and messed about with static IP’s  I finally got it networked but it wasn’t straightforward, i gave up trying to do it from a modern Mac

 

[Johnnya101]

Get (assuming you have a smartphone) an app that scans your network, any old lan scan one will do. Scan your network and see if your SE is showing up. Lots of people have trouble if they dont use a speed step down switch ethernet hub. Dont know the correct term, Look up NetGear EN104TP. You may need something like that. I had trouble connecting my SE/30 without one.

Id try ethernet directly first just to make sure everything works.

Also, what OS is installed? I would greatly consider using OpenTransport instead, A LOT easier than MacTCP.

 

[SE30_Neal]

Hi Jonny, happy new year! 

Razo

Yes i agree open-transport 1.1 or is it 1.2. The later version.

For reference below is explanation of half and full duplexing(steping down)as Jonny says.

https://techdifferences.com/difference-between-simplex-half-duplex-and-full-duplex.html

i didn’t know about these differences either until recently.

basically the different types of communication between your systems but a self sensing half duplex switch in your network can fix the issue. Like jonny says an older mac compatible router is best and they're cheap too .

neal

 

[razo]

Hi, the wireless WIFI bridge connection is now working - using half-duplex. When I try to login from Firefox on my iMac, as anonymous, I get a "530 login failed (-5019)". I can see on the SE30 in the Netpresenz log window that the SE/30 records the failed login attempts, so some communication is working. But as said the login fails.. Any thoughts why the login fails and what I can try to fix it?
 

Perhaps I should try to use OpenTransport instead of MacTCP. Does OpenTransport work better?

Thanks

 

[SE30_Neal]

Hi Rezo,

Yes try open-transport its the only reliable way on the se/30

i would also try a direct connection first, WiFi bridge after. Networking was new and fickle back then.

neal

 

[Bolle]

No reason not to use OpenTransport on System 7 and a SE/30.

 

[razo]

I think the OpenTransport 1.3 in MacintoshGarden is not working, others have had the same problem. The installation stops and asks for floppy disks, but there are no disk images there to make floppys from..

I found a copy of OpenTransport 1.1b9 version that I can try.

 

[SE30_Neal]

1.1 is fine, give it a try

 

[razo]

v1.1 was unsuccessful - it gave an address error during installation.

Having another look at v1.3 on my OS9.2.2 Mac this is what the file "open_transport_1.3_gm.sit" from MacintoshGarden "unsits" to (see picture) on my G4:

Could someone please explain how to proceed when installing this on my SE/30? The installer is asking for "Please insert the disk : Install 1" (I tried to copy the contents in the folder called Install 1 onto the floppy and ran the installer from this, and it kept asking for the Install 1-diskette)

 

[razo]

Also, what OS is installed? I would greatly consider using OpenTransport instead, A LOT easier than MacTCP.

I am using OS7.1

 

[Johnnya101]

Yeah I ran into trouble with it asking for install 1 as well. You NEED to name the floppy exactly Install 1. That will fix it. I know that there's a working install of OT somewhere, that's what I out on my Quadra last week.

Try renaming the disk first!

 

[razo]

Thanks Johnnya,

I suspected it could be something like that - it was next on my to-do list  []
But then I found out it actually it works using just  MacTCP so I might just keep that for the moment. And the Asante card also works via ethernet cable directly to my high speed router (Dlink DIR-809 router) so I might not use the Wifi bridge - I thought it was necessary to use a Wifi bridge when connecting to modern high-speed modems, because of the speed conversion. But is is not, in my case. I will investigate more wireless vs wire and stability. Wireless seem to be a bit unstable than cable so far loosing connection using the Vonets VM300 Wifi bridge.

Also the VM300 seem to take longer to boot than the SE/30, so I am not sure it will work that well when it is integrated into the SE/30 and they are power on at the same time.

 

[Johnnya101]

If it is working, then by all means keep using it that way! Glad you got it working

 

[razo]

p.s Ftp might work but 10.11 wont be able to read the older se/30 os like system 7, I believe 10.4.3 or 10.4.4 tiger were the last versions of os x to do so. File transfer is a pain. I confess to just buying a cheap PowerPc and a zip drive to get me going initially with me SE/30. Once I’d got the software and drivers i needed and brought a half duplex switch and messed about with static IP’s  I finally got it networked but it wasn’t straightforward, i gave up trying to do it from a modern Mac

I see. Actually I cant say that it is working 100%: When I write files from the iMac OSX10.11 to the SE/30 the files comes out as 0 bytes/corrupted on the SE/30. It reminds me when I used a zip drive instead of the FTP connection (the files resource fork is lost?) to transfer files between the iMac and the SE/30 I think I experienced the same. Surely there must be a solution to this? (I am mainly transferring audio Wav and Aiff files). Are there any options here or must I give up?

 

[SE30_Neal]

I’ve read you can do it via emulation but i failed miserably trying that. Strangely its meant to be a lot easier via a pc of all things...personally i found a few zips drives and a cheap unwanted PowerPc did the trick for me and got me the exposure of using old Mac OS and hardware in the process. A roadkill 6200CD £50, its painfully slow online but works fine on macintosh garden and there’s something satisfying copying files to either floppy or Zip disk and transfering the software via this obsolete media because i can.

There are others on here that have managed to transfer though. 

Neal

 

[razo]

The thing is that I want to process the soundfiles on my modern OSX 10.11 computer before I transfer them back to the SE/30, so I guess the resource forks of the audio files will be damaged :-/ . I was given the advice that Netpresenz could do this, but reading his advice a little more in detail now I realize that he was using OS7 and  OSX10.4 tiger. Sad to realize this when I finally got the FTP configured and working. 
 

 

[SE30_Neal]

Audio file transfer, what about MIDI?

I have a macman adaptor for mine, paid €10 for it on eBay, strangely several older keyboards use zip or floppy as well but midi might work. The only pricey thing I’ve found is getting a nice roland midi module for processing.

 Just a thought though



Midi to usb from new mac, midiman from old and a few din cables hey presto

 

[SE30_Neal]

Alternatively a bridge computer in between old and new seems to be a common approach