FTP server on a Macintosh 512Ke

[mactjaap]

This tread is about how things worked with FTP and TCP/IP some 20 or more years ago. Not really about proving all kind of things or state that the 512Ke is the best Macintosh ever made.

I’m interested in old Macintosh models and TCP/IP, so I experiment with the applications of that period.

I started with the FTP server in NCSA Telnet 2.7b4 and now I got it working with NCSA Telnet 2.2 which is from 1988! It is fascinating to see that this software had already a full working FTP server in it. It is also great to get it working and experiment with it. That’s all…..

For people who are also interested in working with older Telnet / FTP servers programs I made a image file with all the versions and some text files I collected over the time.

http://macintosh.vanegten.com/TELNET.img.hqx

I will try to find more versions of the software and try to find out in which version the FTP server was introduced. If people have copies of older (NSCA) Telnet or MacTelnet…please share them …

 

[techknight]

The problem is, you two have different views about it. While everyone is going to have thier own personal opinion or view about the situation, My view is this: I find this very interesting considering I never could do much with a 512k, but at least i know TCP/IP is possible and FTP/NCSA Telnet is possible

 

[Mac128]

This tread is about how things worked with FTP and TCP/IP some 20 or more years ago. Not really about proving all kind of things or state that the 512Ke is the best Macintosh ever made.

My appologies if you misunderstood my point ... However, you have on other threads made something of a point that you are doing all of this on a 512K, even splitting hairs over calling it a 512K instead of what it actually was, a 512Ke with 1MB upgrade. So again, my appologies if I am not entirely clear on what exactly it is you are trying to accomplish. I did not mean to pigeon-hole your efforts. I appreciate them as much as anyone here. Nevertheless, you have proven, for better or worse, whatever else your intention, what others have proven and suspected before, that the stock 512K is not capable of this level of TCP/IP service. And since you are using a 512Ke, with the 128K ROM, that 512K is simply not enough RAM. So it is hyperbole to suggest I meant anything else by my comments, especially that the "512Ke is the best Macintosh ever made" LOL, where did that come from!? :beige:

 

[mactjaap]

Ok! Point taken. No need to argue about it. We all want to do our best for working with old Mac’s. I will try to be more precise what I’m doing and why.

For now…. I would be happy to try NSCA Telnet Version 2.0. That version is explicitly for the Macintosh 512K. I got the release notes from one of our forum members. It is probably from 1987

Features included in version 2.0 of NCSA Telnet :-----------------------------------------------

DARPA standard telnet Built-in standard FTP server for file transfer

Hardware required:-----------------

PC: IBM PC,XT, AT or compatible. 3COM 3C501 Etherlink board.

IBM RT PC Baseband adapter support soon.

Ungermann-Bass NIC board support soon.

MICOM NI5210 Ethernet board support soon. Mac : Macintosh 512K, Plus, SE or Macintosh II.

Kinetics, Inc. FastPath, EtherSC or Etherport SE.

Kinetics gateway software or Stanford KIP (Croft) gateway software.

Support soon for Apple EtherTalk board and software for the Macintosh II.

Download release notes:

http://macintosh.vanegten.com/nsca-telnet-2.0-release.txt

Has anyone a copy of this version????

 

[jonathan]

Telnet is a great FTP server! I've had it happily serving up files from my Plus' 40 MB external SCSI hard drive. :beige:

As far as FTP clients, I've had Terminal v1.5 on OS X 10.4 work with Telnet 2.6. What I'm having trouble with is finding a suitable client on my iPhone to work with my telnet server.

Anybody have any luck with this?

So far I've been experimenting with the apps GoodReader and FTP Client Pro.

 

[Mk.558]

Could I get a set of screenshots showing the settings used? I tried the FTP server options for setup and couldn't get them to work. Nothing could be detected client side.

 

[napabar]

Hey Johnathan,

I've never had any luck with the Telnet FTP server. The only thing I ever got to connect to it was another copy of Telnet on another Mac using the FTP client.

If you're looking to turn a Mac Plus into a FTP server, you might try using NetPresenz. It's free and works on a Plus with System 7.x.

 

[Mk.558]

If you're looking to turn a Mac Plus into a FTP server, you might try using NetPresenz. It's free and works on a Plus with System 7.x.

Any screenshots of settings of a successful setup? I couldn't get that to work either.

 

[jonathan]

screenshots for telnet? its pretty simple, just launch the application, go to edit>preferences>FTP server, select "on, username & password required," (i think you set these in file sharing in the control panel). that's about it.

What client app. are you running?

 

[Mk.558]

I tried OS X Terminal with $ ftp xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx I can't remember what it was.

 

[napabar]

If you're looking to turn a Mac Plus into a FTP server, you might try using NetPresenz. It's free and works on a Plus with System 7.x.

Any screenshots of settings of a successful setup? I couldn't get that to work either.

No, sorry. I haven't played with it in a couple of years, and no longer have a classic Mac that I can run it on (Just the Mac 512K these days!)

I remember it working just fine on the LC I had back in the day.

 

[Mk.558]

I swill try again on this matter since I really need to add to the Guide a how-to on connecting to any OS through FTP running System 6 boot floppy.

Well, a CompactPro self-extracting archive with RamDisk+ 2.01 and a stripped down 6.0.8 might be capable of fitting on a 800k disk. You'll need at least 4MB memory though (figure 2MB for running the OS and 2MB for the ramdisk).

 

[napabar]

FYI.....NetPresenz requires System 7.....