Creating a Warcraft II image from CD

[LazarusNine]

I own quite a lot of old Mac software and I occasionally like to go through and image old CDs and DVDs to ensure that they're backed up and available to me wherever I am. There is one disc that has consistently given me loads of trouble, however, and that's Warcraft II (non-BNE version).

The Warcraft II disc is complicated, as it's both a hybrid Mac/DOS disc AND contains a separate audio session for the game music. As a result, getting an image to recognise all portions of the disc or even simply the Mac and audio portions is nearly impossible. Any final output is unrecognised by the application itself (launching WC2 results in a request for the disc).

Has anyone ever made a successful image of Warcraft II? These are the things I've tried so far with no success:

1) .toast image with Toast 14

2) .toast image with Toast 4.2

3) .toast image with Toast 5.2.3

4) bin/cue with Toast (multiple versions)

5) bin/cue with applications on a Windows machine

(etc.)

Any suggestions to get this to work? Thanks!

 

[rsolberg]

My guess is that your burning software is choosing one of the sessions to image rather than the whole disc. I'd try using OS X Disk Utility. It should display the optical drive, media, then sessions in a tree format. You can then select the media (one level up from the sessions) or the drive and make an image from that. I have had success with similar hybrid discs. If that doesn't do it for some reason, I'd use dd via the command line in this format:

dd if=/dev/rdisk? of=image.iso bs=2048 conv=noerror,notrunc

where ? is the disk number

You can usually find the disk number in Disk Utility by selecting it and using CMD-I. You might need to unmount (but not eject) the disk before running dd, or use su to run dd as root.

 

[BadGoldEagle]

You can give ShrinkWrap a go. It can image CDs. Only works on System 7 thru 9.

It can also create floppy/CD/HD images...

You should also try DiskDup Pro if all else fails. That's the second download in that link. DiskDup is a very good piece of software.

I'm not sure it works on System 6 though, but 7/8/9 work fine.

DiskDup 2.7 can image copy protected 400k MFS-formatted floppy disks. It can only work with 400k or 800k floppy disks. Disk Copy can't do that.

DiskDup 2.9 can handle 1.44mb floppies but isn't really useful (Disk Copy can handle this as well)

Disk Dup Pro can image floppies and as well as cartridges. It should be able to image a CD, since it's a removable media, like a cartridge...

 

[tanaquil]

In my experience, pretty much the only thing that has reliably worked to image a dual PC/Mac disk with an audio track is Alcohol 120% on Windows. Not cheap, but a very useful tool when it counts. Was that one of the applications you tried under #5?

 

[LazarusNine]

In my experience, pretty much the only thing that has reliably worked to image a dual PC/Mac disk with an audio track is Alcohol 120% on Windows. Not cheap, but a very useful tool when it counts. Was that one of the applications you tried under #5?

Thanks for all the replies. Tanaquil, Alcohol 120 is not something I've tried yet and may now that you recommend it. What settings would you suggest I use in order to successfully make the copy?

 

[PowerPup]

bin/cue is usually the best (open) format when dealing with hybrid discs that have both data and audio tracks. WinWorldPC recommends using ImgBurn for making bin/cue images on Windows.

Are you trying to play from the image itself virtually mounted, or is it that any burned discs you make from your image fail to work?

I use the cdrdao tools under Linux to create a bin/cue images.

 

[LazarusNine]

Are you trying to play from the image itself virtually mounted, or is it that any burned discs you make from your image fail to work?

I use the cdrdao tools under Linux to create a bin/cue images.

Preferably, I'd like to play from mounted images rather than copied discs, though I'd consider that option if imaging didn't work. Thanks for the cdrdao recommendation.

 

[tanaquil]

As for Alcohol, making an mds/mdf image (not iso) with the program's default settings should work. If there are other cheaper/free options, by all means try them first. Alcohol just happens to be the one that worked best for me.

Hope you find a good solution.

 

[LazarusNine]

As for Alcohol, making an mds/mdf image (not iso) with the program's default settings should work. If there are other cheaper/free options, by all means try them first. Alcohol just happens to be the one that worked best for me.

Hope you find a good solution.

Thanks again. I'll likely go the Alcohol route, as I might as well invest in something that works. I used to have a copy way back in the day, but I can't find the installer or related info. Final question: Can Toast 4/5 mount mds/mdf images so I can avoid having to burn a disc?

 

[tanaquil]

Unfortunately, I think not. My recollection is that I had to burn a disk to use the copy on my classic Mac (I haven't done this in a while). Daemon Tools under OS X can mount an mds/mdf, though, I think.

 

[LazarusNine]

Unfortunately, I think not. My recollection is that I had to burn a disk to use the copy on my classic Mac (I haven't done this in a while). Daemon Tools under OS X can mount an mds/mdf, though, I think.

Hey there. That's fine. A CD-R disc is not a precious commodity (yet). Many thanks for the recommendation!!