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A/UX + System 7

billynomates

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Hi all

There's recently been a post on the Compact Mac forum here, about putting both System 6 and System 7 on one mac (an SE/30 iirc).

So, do you know of a way of doing this with A/UX 3.1 - e.g., booting a later System 7 (> 7.1) and A/UX from the same disk? Disk is 2GB - also on an SE/30.

Thanks for any help...

 

Gorgonops

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Staff member
Does not compute, really, if you mean "the same disk partition". A/UX installs onto a UNIX-formatted disk partition... unlike OS X it only has a *very limited* understanding of HFS. A/UX also doesn't boot directly, but instead has to be kickstarted from a boot partition which runs a version of Mac OS. (A stripped down... 7.1, I think, on the latest version.) You *might*, don't quote me on this, be able to run the actual program that kicks off an A/UX boot from some later version of the Macintosh OS instead of letting it autoload with its dedicated OS installation, but since you'll be partitioning your disk anyway I'm not sure what the "win" would be of doing so.

 

billynomates

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No, sorry, should have been clearer. Realise more than one partition (and filesystem) would be necessary.

Guess I'm talking about a boot manager type thing? Perhaps something like System Picker but for A/UX / > System 7.1.

 

Anonymous Freak

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A/UX *MUST* dual-boot with System 7. It REQUIRES a System 7 installation to act as its boot loader. You can either force it to boot to System 7 manually, or even set up a second System 7 install and use SystemPicker to swap. (I have one set up this way; 7.0.1 as the A/UX bootloader, and 7.6 on a second partition.)

 

billynomates

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A/UX *MUST* dual-boot with System 7. It REQUIRES a System 7 installation to act as its boot loader.
Yes, aware of that, but just unsure of the process of how to get both an A/UX (obviously with it's associated 7.1 installation), and a copy of, say, 7.5 installed on the same SE/30.

You mention that you've done this - how did you do it? For example - what order did you install, where did you install to, etc? Presumably I can use system picker to choose which of the system folders gets booted...?

Thanks again...

 

beachycove

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Any standard installation of A/UX also installs a fully-functional version of MacOS, separate from the boot partition that installs on the "Macpartition." The latter is not where the real work is done, and while it is very definitely needed, you really just let it do what it does and then forget about it. It need only be a tiny partition, as you will not ever install anything else in it.

If it's A/UX 3 you install, then further to the boot partition, you get MacOS 7.0.1, which installs within the UNIX file system on the main partition. There are thus more than one MacOS System folders in a standard A/UX 3 installation (and a new one for every user, I believe, though presumably these are mostly a matter of preferences and such). You can't upgrade any of these to 7.1 or 7.5 without bad things happening, but as it stands the system is very stable and on an SE/30 you will be able to run most anything that an SE/30 is meant to be running MacOS-wise. A/UX will also get you beyond the dirty ROMS problem of the SE/30.

There is a write-up about the different System folders in one of the main A/UX 3 manuals available online from Apple.

A separate, second installation of MacOS (say, 7.5) on a third partition should also be perfectly possible, but as the stock MacOS installation of MacOS is fully functional, I am not sure why you would want it. I suppose that if you wanted software available on the machine that required 7.1 or 7.5 to run, like AppleScript, it would make sense. I once had a similar arrangement (with 7.1 or 7.6 - I forget) briefly in a Quadra 950 but in this case there were two separate drives. I soon reverted to A/UX only as, given my interests and the other machines available to me, I did not really see the point of the separate MacOS installation.

 

billynomates

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I suppose that if you wanted software available on the machine that required 7.1 or 7.5 to run
Thanks for that - that's exactly why I need to do this - i.e., to use software that needs a later version of Mac OS that the 7.0.1 that comes with A/UX.

 

shirsch

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According to the A/UX FAQ, it is not strictly necessary to boot from System 7.0 and that turns out to be correct. I updated my MacPartition to 7.5.5, removing the A/UX Start alias from the Startup Items folder. This is a great dual boot environment. When I boot with no other action taken, it comes up to a standard 7.5.5 + Finder. To run A/UX, reboot with extensions disabled (hold Shift after the bong). Then, when the Finder appears double-click A/UX Start. Works like a charm.

 

Unknown_K

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I don't think you can do that dual boot with OS 7.5x installed and the WGS PDS card if you have it installed (hangs on boot).

 

beachycove

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But presumably some of the A/UX-System 7 functionality is broken, as the FAQ says it will be, if a higher system is installed?

 
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