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9" Compact Completists?

bigmessowires

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And yes SE 1/20 is pure whack!
What?? I thought for sure the SE 1/20 was somebody's recent playful relabeling or Photoshop effort. Please tell me that's not a real computer from Apple.

To each their own, but I'd say four black-and-white compacts effectively cover the range: any of 128K/512K/512Ke/Plus, SE, SE/30, Classic. Minor variations between those are mainly just the amount of RAM and disk configuration. You could divide that first set of machines further if you really care about the differences between 64K and 128K ROM. If somebody really cares about having an SE *and* and SE FDHD for example, then they must have a lot more storage space than me! :)

Personally I have a 512K and a Plus, with 128K and 512Ke motherboards I could swap in if needed, as well as an SE/30. I recently sold my SE after deciding it didn't really stand out in any interesting way. Basically the same appearance as my SE/30 and same behavior as my Plus.
 

LaPorta

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At least in the US, there was never anything sold as “SE 1/20” or any such thing. It’s what some people call them depending on how they were configured.

As for the range, there’s enough variation in things. For example, I know I’m alone here, but I never use my SE/30 because it doesn’t have a place for me. The 030 has just enough incompatibility to cause a few issues here and there with some really old games (and can’t be started with old, proprietary game System disks). On the newer side, why not just use a IIfx with full color if I’m needing a powerful machine? Why bother with the 9” B&W? So for me, the SE/30 is the least valuable. I got it for probably $30 from goodwill around 2000…so I’ll let it sit on the shelf and collect value for a few more years :p
 

cheesestraws

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What?? I thought for sure the SE 1/20 was somebody's recent playful relabeling or Photoshop effort. Please tell me that's not a real computer from Apple.

It is a real computer - IIRC it's the same as the FDHD, but possibly sold in areas where 'FDHD' as an acronym made no sense? Not totally sure. Mine came to me from Germany, FWIW.
 

LaPorta

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It is a real computer - IIRC it's the same as the FDHD, but possibly sold in areas where 'FDHD' as an acronym made no sense? Not totally sure. Mine came to me from Germany, FWIW.
The difference at least in the US is that there are none ever branded as such. The US ones state the difference on the back. The rear label will state "Dual 800k Drives" or "1 MB RAM, 800k Drive, 20 MB HD" or some such actually written out. However, each and every one simply states "Macintosh SE" on the front. The SE FDHD or SuperDrive, to my knowledge, just says "Macintosh SE" on the rear label without providing any specifications.
 

ClassicGuyPhilly

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Let me know what everyone thinks of this, please. Also offer any corrections or additional info, I'm sure there are some areas that need work. I got a lot of info from everymac, so assuming their data is fairly accurate. Thanks!

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dochilli

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In germany there where sold SEs sometimes as SE 1/20 or 1/40 with HDDs of 20 and 40 MB. They were often sold to students.
I never saw a 2/40.
 

joshc

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please do share your thoughts on Compact collecting.
I did have a fairly large collection of compacts, as recently as a few years ago. The only one I've never obtained is the 512k. But the only ones I'm keeping long-term are SE/30s.

Personally, I find pre-SE machines to be... rather older feeling and less refined than the later models. I suppose that sounds obvious when said that way. The peripherals are particularly different to the ADB ones, to the extent that I don't enjoy using them. That spoilt the whole experience of using a Plus for me. I also don't like the fact that pre-SE models are passively cooled. Yes, in reality it makes very little difference these days - the machine would never be turned on for long enough periods for it to really matter, but I just can't get over how wrong it feels to have the analog board cooking itself... so I just avoid the pre-SE models now.

I had a really lovely, fairly early example of an actual 128K (before they badged it as 128K, even), but I didn't keep it because I just never used it and I don't collect Macs to have them as ornamenents. I collect them because I either find the hardware interesting, or they can run the software/games I want to use. The 128k as a computer to use is not very useful at all, its extremely limited and very much unenjoyable to use (in my opinion), but its certainly iconic and important to own if you want a collection that represents each phase of early Mac development.

I regret obtaining any Classic and Classic II models. They are frustrating to work on. The analog boards are not reliable. They were cheaply made and it shows. So, why does reliability matters when it comes to a 30 eyar old computer that gets turned on twice a year? Well... maybe it doesn't really. But it still bothers me. And I am still

Again I am just too practical (maybe? Or am I? why do I have all these old computers anyway?!), and that's where I come to SE/30s. There are just so many things I like about the SE/30, primarily the fact it can run most of the software that any other compact can, and they are really quite good computers once you put a few upgrades in them. I personally just don't see a reason to own the others - unless, you decide you want to collect them for any of the reasons @cheesestraws explained well.

Compacts are extremely collectible. They are not too big. They stack. They can be kept in bags made especially for them. And most importantly, they're fun. I can definitely see the appeal in collecting each model. They really lend themselves well to that type of collection.
 

Phipli

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Don't assume the difference is US markets and international, it's more arbitary than that.

We had the FDHD too.
 

LaPorta

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Don't assume the difference is US markets and international, it's more arbitary than that.

We had the FDHD too.

Not saying it wasn’t there, I just know that there wasn’t any number badging here in the US as far as SEs went.
 

ClassicGuyPhilly

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Good stuff guys, keep the feedback/corrections coming!

Here's version 2, added some other useful metadata. Looks like we're at 26 different case variations!
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ClassicGuyPhilly

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@joshc I appreciate your Compact approach and I think your insights are valuable to anyone collecting Compacts. Yes, I would call you a practical collector, but we all have our motivations and reasoning (as well as space and financial abilities) so as is usually said here, collect as you whatever makes you happy!

As you know, I'm more into machines with historical and educational value, so to me a 128k is a key add to my collection. While I will admit it's computing usefulness is very minimal, I think the student wow-factor for seeing and using one is very high ;)
 

volvo242gt

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M5010 is just the dual 800K drive SE. Actually says "two 800K drives" on the back. M5011 is all the other SE variants, with a hard drive, as well as all FDHD/SuperDrive variants. The Macintosh ED was a 512Ke. Wasn't available as a regular 512K.

Personally, I'd choose a 512Ke for something crippled, a Plat Plus, then an SE FDHD or SuperDrive, ideally with dual floppies, and the aftermarket hard drive bracket, and add the later compact Macs in - SE/30, Classic (which you already have), then a Classic II/P200. 128 is cool, but very, very, crippled. However, worth a lot more than the others. Had a 128, or what I thought was a 128, in the big conquest of 2012, but it turned out that the computer had been upgraded to 512Ke specs. Ran System 6.0.8 without issues.
 

ClassicGuyPhilly

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Thanks @volvo242gt, I made the correction on the SE model number alignment. And inre the Macintosh Ed, I do have that aligned with the same hardware variant as the 512ke.

Question on the 512ke - is the case actually badged as "Macintosh 512ke"? I found three eBay auctions where the model number was M0001E but the top left badging on the rear of the case only says "Macintosh 512k" Or could these all have originally been 512k's that underwent the 512ke upgrade and received a new back plate?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1861010232...8PCIfrOTCM/PR/aP5sd86kCg==|tkp:Bk9SR_iplKH7Yg


 
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