Challenger 1983 Posted December 30, 2020 Report Share Posted December 30, 2020 I just got my CF to IDE adapter for my 2300c in the mail, how do I go about loading an OS onto it?, specifically Mac OS 8.1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Byrd Posted December 31, 2020 Report Share Posted December 31, 2020 ... without using your 2300c? At very least I'd format the CF card in the 2300c itself booting from a floppy and patched version of Apple HD Setup. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jessenator Posted December 31, 2020 Report Share Posted December 31, 2020 2 hours ago, Byrd said: At very least I'd format the CF card in the 2300c itself booting from a floppy Using an adapted CF card (for most adapters) is not like using an intermediary device, (e.g. SCSI2SD, MacSD, et al.) but is just a blank medium awaiting formatting: AFAIK, CF and IDE is pin compatible, and the adapter really only serves as passive adapter and in cases of PC use, selects slave/master. (Though mine has a voltage selector as well...) Mine is dead simple, with just a slot for the card, a floppy-style power connector, and then maybe a bit of voltage regulation. No PALs/GALs, or any other logic happening on the board: 2 hours ago, Byrd said: and patched version of Apple HD Setup. Well, OP, your mileage may vary, but I didn't have to do anything special with mine. And with OS 8 in particular, you should be able to use the copy of Drive Setup it comes with. In my experience, all I've had to do was format and then install from a medium of choice (in my case CD). I think the patched Apple HD SC Setup is really only for certain cases, like using a SCSI to SD, but I could be wrong. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Realitystorm Posted December 31, 2020 Report Share Posted December 31, 2020 What system do you have and what size of CF card do you want to use? You could create an image file that is the size of your CF card and then use an emulator that supports drive images to initialize the file. I used SoftMac before, but it only supports up to 3GB files, I'm planning to update my blog entry on using MAME to initialize drive files (you no longer have to compress files), so it might let you initialize larger files. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Challenger 1983 Posted December 31, 2020 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2020 I have a powerbook Duo 2300c and unfortunately no floppies to use with it, my first thought was also disk utility however I currently have no way of using it, I cannot find my USB floppy drive Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Trash80toHP_Mini Posted December 31, 2020 Report Share Posted December 31, 2020 (edited) Have you got a PCMCIA equipped 'Book from that era or any 630 based machine in 040 or PPC variant with IDE? You should be able to use that card in a PCMCIA adapter or in the HDD bay any of the desktop machines as a blank hard disk to format/install any system for a 2300c from floppy or CD.. If you have a PCMCIA 'Book, a baseline boot drive with utilities on CF in a PCMCIA adapter is a gotta have it kinda thing for my bag of tricks, Almost silly sounding, but very doable in the 2300c: if you happen to have SCSI2SD or the like and converter to hook it up to an internal SCSI cable you can borrow from any 'Book at all, you can put your installer on the SD-whatsis. Plug that cable into the internal SCSI connector to boot the 2300c. With your CF/IDE adapter in the HDD bay as the install target you're good to go. All done sans KBD of course, so you'll need Dockage of some kind for ADB peripherals unless you can get by with just the trackpad? Least complicated. least expensive would be to get a 3.5" adapter and do the dirty in anything between the Q60 and 6500. Edited December 31, 2020 by Trash80toHP_Mini Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cheesestraws Posted December 31, 2020 Report Share Posted December 31, 2020 Another option that might well work: create a disk image of the right size in Basilisk or SheepShaver, install the OS there making sure to install the universal version, and dd it across to the CF card? That would probably be what I would try first. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
davidg5678 Posted December 31, 2020 Report Share Posted December 31, 2020 6 hours ago, cheesestraws said: Another option that might well work: create a disk image of the right size in Basilisk or SheepShaver, install the OS there making sure to install the universal version, and dd it across to the CF card? That would probably be what I would try first. This is roughly how I set up my Powerbook 1400. I wanted to use System 7.6.1, but only could make 1.44MB floppy disks for my Powerbook. What I ended up doing, was formatting the Compact Flash card using the Powerbook, and then mounting it within Basilisk II on my modern computer. I then was able to install the operating system and software using my modern iMac. When I plugged the CF card back into the Powerbook, everything from the emulator was still there, and it worked perfectly. Something important to note is that large capacity CF cards may give you a bit of trouble. I could not get a 4GB card to work at all, but things went easily as soon as I switched to a 512MB CF card. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LaPorta Posted December 31, 2020 Report Share Posted December 31, 2020 Large capacity cards are not an issue as long as you properly partition them. As long as you use partition sizes appropriate for the OS you are wanting to use, it should work fine. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Challenger 1983 Posted December 31, 2020 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2020 I'm going to look for my USB floppy drive again as I do not have any software currently compatible with the 2300 on a floppy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LaPorta Posted December 31, 2020 Report Share Posted December 31, 2020 Do you have a floppy drive for the 2300? BTW, thanks for the heads up on the 2300 screen on ebay, I may offer $100 on it to swap the screen. If you need floppies, I should have 2300 disks somewhere in my stash, since we owned the machine since it was brand new. I may have the disk tools disk for it and could make you a copy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Challenger 1983 Posted December 31, 2020 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2020 4 hours ago, LaPorta said: Do you have a floppy drive for the 2300? BTW, thanks for the heads up on the 2300 screen on ebay, I may offer $100 on it to swap the screen. If you need floppies, I should have 2300 disks somewhere in my stash, since we owned the machine since it was brand new. I may have the disk tools disk for it and could make you a copy. glad that listing may be of some help, I feel like shipping disks from the US to Canada may be cost prohibitive unfortunately Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LaPorta Posted December 31, 2020 Report Share Posted December 31, 2020 I did not know thats where you are. I can always make an image of the real deal for you. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Challenger 1983 Posted December 31, 2020 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2020 2 hours ago, LaPorta said: I did not know thats where you are. I can always make an image of the real deal for you. As in the OS Itself? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LaPorta Posted December 31, 2020 Report Share Posted December 31, 2020 At the least, the Disk Tools disk for a 2300. If I recall, it didn't have a full install CD, because there was no way to actually use it. However, I will double-check. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Challenger 1983 Posted December 31, 2020 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2020 2 hours ago, LaPorta said: At the least, the Disk Tools disk for a 2300. If I recall, it didn't have a full install CD, because there was no way to actually use it. However, I will double-check. Thanks, Is there a specific disk Image I should use from the internet if you can't find a physical copy of the OS Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LCARS Posted December 31, 2020 Report Share Posted December 31, 2020 (edited) I believe that these are Universal Installs, although I can't be sure: https://winworldpc.com/product/mac-os-8/80-final This was cheaper when I bought it, but it's been invaluable to shuffle data between my desktop G4, Intel Macs, and PCMCIA PowerBooks: https://www.ebay.com/itm/DIGIGEAR-ATA-Flash-PCMCIA-PC-Card-SD-SDHC-SDXC-USB-3-0-Card-Reader-omnidrive/371571987004?epid=1161060994&hash=item56836a923c:g:H-oAAOSwdKddoYo5 Edited December 31, 2020 by LCARS Wrong Link Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Challenger 1983 Posted January 1 Author Report Share Posted January 1 I may just end up buying floppies as I am having trouble with installing programs onto the CF card Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Realitystorm Posted January 1 Report Share Posted January 1 Hi Challenger, you could try writing one of my pre-created drive images to your card to start with. It will give you a 2GB drive on your CF card and should boot. https://www.savagetaylor.com/downloads/downloads-macintosh/ Or, if you want to use something like balenaEtcher or DD to create an image of your CF card and send it to me via private message I can initialize it and send it back to you setup with an initial 2GB partition. In general you should be able to use your CF card the same way I do SD cards for the SCSI2SD. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Realitystorm Posted January 1 Report Share Posted January 1 I'm also updating my MAME entry, once I've got that done you should be able to use it to initialize your CF card however you want. https://www.savagetaylor.com/2018/12/26/setting-up-your-vintage-classic-68k-macintosh-using-mame/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Challenger 1983 Posted January 1 Author Report Share Posted January 1 So I downloaded your minimal 7.5.5 disk image and used BalenaEtcher to install it onto My SD card Annnnnndddddd...... it works!!!!! I am amazed, thank you so much RealityStorm, I am so excited to finally use my 2300c Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LCARS Posted January 1 Report Share Posted January 1 That's fantastic! It's nice to see another one up and running. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Challenger 1983 Posted January 1 Author Report Share Posted January 1 4 hours ago, LCARS said: That's fantastic! It's nice to see another one up and running. like the forum says!, All good Macs get liberated! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Realitystorm Posted January 1 Report Share Posted January 1 6 hours ago, Challenger 1983 said: it works!!!!! I am amazed, thank you so much RealityStorm, I am so excited to finally use my 2300c Glad to hear, I see in the pic that you have a 4GB card. My images currently max out at 2GB. Let me know if you want a 4GB version Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Challenger 1983 Posted January 2 Author Report Share Posted January 2 2 hours ago, Realitystorm said: Glad to hear, I see in the pic that you have a 4GB card. My images currently max out at 2GB. Let me know if you want a 4GB version do you have a full version of 7.5.5, I would love a 4GB image as well. Thanks again Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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