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Quadra 800 networked to G3 blue / white


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Hi, I am trying to network Macintosh Quadra 800 running System 7.5.3 to Macintosh G3 blue / white running System 8.6 

for basic audio file transfer.

 

I have a Farallon Ethermac 10Base-T Transcieiver with AAUI connection. Sold green lights when connected.

 

I can't seem to locate the ethernet address on the quadra by Mac TCP Control Panel, holding down the option key and clicking Ethernet icon, nothing appears.

Is there another way to locate the address.

 

When I open the network

it is on LocalTalk, I try to change to Ethertalk though it says 
Could not switch to ethertalk due to an error. Your connection will be reset to localtalk

 

Besides ethernet, can these machines do basic file transfer via apple talk or similar, if so what will I need?

 

Thanks.

 

 

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If you're using EtherTalk (AppleTalk over Ethernet) the MacTCP or TCP/IP control panels are unnecessary for that.

 

Hardware wise, you should be sorted, with the only specific thing I can think of is a cross-over cable if you aren't using a router or a switch to connect them all.

 

Software wise, you shouldn't need that much, but perhaps EtherTalk software is not installed? It should have with the basic install of the system.

 

The Guide in my signature should be able to help you out in some way.

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I am running System 7.5.5 on the Quadra, so you would think Ethertalk is installed unless the person who setup the system did not install it.

 

I don't think I can use the Transceiver without having the Quadra set to Etheretalk.

 

Other solution is apple talk / local talk though I don't have any devices for that.
 

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10 hours ago, dagon666 said:

Other solution is apple talk / local talk though I don't have any devices for that.

AppleTalk is a protocol, not a wiring standard.  LocalTalk is the wiring.  What you want to do here is run AppleTalk over Ethernet (this combination is what "EtherTalk" means).  LocalTalk isn't really an option because the blue and white G3 doesn't have an old-school serial port.

 

15 hours ago, dagon666 said:

When I open the network

it is on LocalTalk, I try to change to Ethertalk though it says 
Could not switch to ethertalk due to an error. Your connection will be reset to localtalk 

This is the right thing to do.  It sounds like you might have a software issue / garbled software, because I think it ought to let you set the network connection even without an AAUI transceiver installed at all.  You might want to try reinstalling the network components of the OS using the 7.5.3 installer.

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10 hours ago, cheesestraws said:

AppleTalk is a protocol, not a wiring standard.  LocalTalk is the wiring.  What you want to do here is run AppleTalk over Ethernet (this combination is what "EtherTalk" means).  LocalTalk isn't really an option because the blue and white G3 doesn't have an old-school serial port.

 

This is the right thing to do.  It sounds like you might have a software issue / garbled software, because I think it ought to let you set the network connection even without an AAUI transceiver installed at all.  You might want to try reinstalling the network components of the OS using the 7.5.3 installer.

Unfortunately I don't have the installer disks, I do have the installer files on the system in back up.

The system was refurbished and rebuilt as an old school digidesign system, I don't want to risk running installer software to then create a bigger problem 

 

Yeah, I noticed the Mac G3 has 9 pin din serial, so not an option

 

Will something like AsanteTalk work? 8 Pin din serial to Ethernet?

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8 hours ago, dagon666 said:

The system was refurbished and rebuilt as an old school digidesign system, I don't want to risk running installer software to then create a bigger problem  

Ah, that's reasonable.

 

8 hours ago, dagon666 said:

Will something like AsanteTalk work? 8 Pin din serial to Ethernet? 

Should do.  Or if you have another old mac with Ethernet and serial, you can use that as a bridge or router and save yourself buying an AsanteTalk :-)

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On 10/1/2020 at 1:08 PM, dagon666 said:

Besides ethernet, can these machines do basic file transfer via apple talk or similar, if so what will I need?

 

Yes, and you can do AppleShare over Ethernet. Use the Sharing Setup Control Panel on your Quadra 800 to enable that Mac as a file server.

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9 hours ago, Dog Cow said:

Yes, and you can do AppleShare over Ethernet. Use the Sharing Setup Control Panel on your Quadra 800 to enable that Mac as a file server.

If you have other compatible AppleShare capable Macs computers then AppleShare alone should be enough. The reason I prefer to install an FTP server is that it allows *any* client to connect, all the way up to the latest Mac/PC/Linux OSs etc because FTP clients allow for a vanilla FTP connection without SSH/SSL. So having an old Mac assume the role of an FTP server allows anyone to connect to it. Of course you wouldn't need or want to port forward because I am mentioning this from the perspective of the LAN. Connecting to the server would require only the local IP address the Mac is serving from. Ideally you set the server to automatically get an IP address using DHCP and you can assign that IP address to the MAC address of the Mac serving up.

 

So if FTP server software is being served up by 10.0.1.10 just assign your router to reserve 10.0.1.10 for the MAC address of the same Mac.

I recommend https://macintoshgarden.org/apps/netpresenz. You should read a few pages from the manual if and when you need help with setup but overall it's very easy to set up. It was once called FTPd https://macintoshgarden.org/apps/ftpd-v300. The other FTP server software is WebSTAR and it is really full fledged. A wonderful piece of software but it requires some reading to set up. https://macintoshgarden.org/apps/webstar-3

 

I have used WebSTAR and NetPresenz, the latter is the easiest of the two and works fine for FTP file sharing.

 

Hope this helps.

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