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Would an Apple AudioVision 14 Display be a good match for a Mac IIci and/or a Quadra 950?


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As noted in the title, I'm just trying to figure out if an Apple AudioVision 14 Display would be a good / appropriate match for a Mac IIci and/or a Quadra 950. I've got a IIci (in pretty rough shape, it's a recent rescue from an e-waste place) and a well-specced Quadra 950 in storage.  Someone in my area has the AudioVision display listed for sale, and looks pretty interesting given the built-in speakers and input/output options. Their asking price is a little high but I'm thinking they may accept an offer. Given that I don't currently have a Mac CRT and would like to have one again, this seems like a decent option if it would work well with those Macs noted above.

 

Thanks for any guidance!

 

Huxley

 

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I have an AudoiVision 14" (which needs some tweaking, but that's another story). The speakers really are awesome, I loved them in my school's computer lab back in the late 90's. Make absolutely sure, however, that the seller has the adapter that is necessary to use it with all but the original x100 Power Macs. It was a proprietary adapter that Apple used and then went nowhere with that carries video, sound, and ADB signals all in one package. An adapter is necessary to use it with other Macs. I can get a photo of my adapter later on today if you need it.

 

Short answer: For a Quadra 950, I think it would be a great addition.

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Just now, LaPorta said:

I have an AudoiVision 14" (which needs some tweaking, but that's another story). The speakers really are awesome, I loved them in my school's computer lab back in the late 90's. Make absolutely sure, however, that the seller has the adapter that is necessary to use it with all but the original x100 Power Macs. It was a proprietary adapter that Apple used and then went nowhere with that carries video, sound, and ADB signals all in one package. An adapter is necessary to use it with other Macs. I can get a photo of my adapter later on today if you need it.

 

Short answer: For a Quadra 950, I think it would be a great addition.

Great info, thanks! One of the pics in the listing does show the cable, and it appears to end in a sort of squid-like extension with ADB, audio, video, etc. - I'm assuming that's the adapter you're describing?

 

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Yes, that is indeed the adapter. As long as you have that, you should be good. What system version are you running? I forget which has support built in, but I think older systems (7.1, 7.1.2, maybe even 7.5) need an installer to use the control buttons on the front panel to control the volume, etc. If you do happen to need this, I have the original AudioVision floppy, and I have an image of it that you can use.

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It's been 10+ years since I had the Quadra booted but I think it was running System 7.1. The IIci is new to me and doesn't have a hard drive yet, so it'll run whatever suits it :) 

 

I've sent an email to the seller - hopefully they're willing to haggle a little!

 

Huxley

 

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When it comes to Apple CRT monitors these days anything you can snag locally without shipping that works is probably a good match.  I have adapters that allow a 6100 to use a normal mac monitor and  the adapter to go the other way as well (funny what you pick up in lots over the years).

 

An appropriate match for a vintage 68K Mac doesn't even have to be an Apple monitor. One of my 950's came with a fixed frequency Supermac 20" bad breaker monitor that was sold to many mac users back in the day. So a vintage Radius, Focus, Supermac, or whatever you can find should work.

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1 hour ago, beachycove said:

These have really high quality crts and speakers, for crisp text and graphics along with excellent sound, but they are not multi-resolution (640x480 only).

The perfect setup to me for playing Hellcats. Those speakers make the engine sound of the R-2800 sound so rich...

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He had specified that it was included, thankfully.

 

As a side note, one of the funniest things that I had seen as far as Apple goes is that when using this with a PM6100 DOS Compatible (which is what I got it with) means you need to take the AV 14", connect the adapter that makes it into individual ADB, DB-15, etc from HDI-45, and then connect that to the splitter cable that goes to the DOS Card. Then, you need to hook up the converter to that that turns the video BACK into the HDI-45 and plugs into the port on the PM6100s video out. Most ridiculous thing I've seen.

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Not the OP, but, I've had a few of these over the years and they are great. These and their sibling monitor the 14-inch Macintosh Color Display have bright clear 14-inch trinitron displays that display at 640x480, which means that they're the resolution most '90s Mac games expect, and system 7 generally works fine.

 

I would say, if you are primarily gaming or enjoying Multimedia(TM) on a 68k or beige PPC Mac, then these monitors will work great. If you are using a newer PowerPC system (incl. mid-beige era, anything with PCI slots) and you are doing content creation in any way, or are interested in a lot of workspace for whatever, this isn't the right monitor for you.

 

The 950 in particular, if you're using it for "workstation" stuff might benefit from something bigger, but the AV14 will work great, sound great, and look great on a 950 or IIci.

 

Whether or not it's the best really depends on a lot of things. For one thing, they have what I'm pretty sure is the single thickest cable Apple shipped on literally any product. They have an S-Video input port that, I'm pretty sure does literally nothing, even on an AV-equipped X100 PowerMac, they are limited in screen resolution, they're heavier than the stand-alone monitors, they're annoying/difficult to transport, (although the plastics on mine are in "fine" shape, I still wouldn't want to ship it), and relating to that giant cable, they need a dongle to work anywhere except for the X100 PowerMacs, and, you need two dongles if you have the misfortune of wanting to run one on a 6100/DOS. (The solution there is either to run a second monitor for the DOS card or to not have a 6100/DOS, but, I do have a 6100/DOS so I'm gonna put my AV14 on the 6200 and my MCD14 on the 6100.)

 

They're also, as a display, not any better than that sibling display, except that they've got speakers and an ADB hub.

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5 hours ago, Cory5412 said:

These and their sibling monitor the 14-inch Macintosh Color Display have bright clear 14-inch trinitron displays that display at 640x480, which means that they're the resolution most '90s Mac games expect, and system 7 generally works fine.

 

I agree. Years before i had a typical Philips VGA 14 inches monitor connected with my Mac Performa 6116CD. I started looking for an Apple Monitor and my first choice was the Apple Audiovision 14 Display monitor but it was difficulty to be found and usually very expensive. Finally i bought a Macintosh Color Display Monitor M1212 and i can say that the quality is fantastic. It has great sharp picture and all games look great. My dos computer is connected with a nice Sony 15" trinitron monitor and it is next to my Macintosh Color Display Monitor. I can say that Mac graphics which use usually bigger resolutions than VGA 320x200 look lot better. The resolution is fixed 640x480 but for 68k and early ppc games you do not need bigger.

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How does the 14” Macintosh Color Display compare to the 13” AppleColor High Resolution RGB Monitor*, which is also native 640x480 and came out a few years earlier?  Is the former really larger, or is that just marketing?

 

*best Apple peripheral name ever

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w/re 14MCD (or MCD14) vs ACHRRGBM @Crutch - I think they're basically the same viewable size, I don't have both at the moment, they're both great displays so I don't know if I think it's worth seeking out one over the other, specifically, as much as, kind of same as I say about a lot of other vintage mac stuff where, just get the first one you can find, kind of thing.

 

To be honest, lower end Apple monitors aren't usually bad, Apple tended to sell midrange stuff as its own low end, I think there's a couple performa displays that were arguably below average but they're still "fine" and if you want to be using a fixed-sync CRT from the era then they're still fine displays to have on hand, so I'd also largely say to get one of those if you could, and, at worst, if you don't like it, hold onto it until you can get something you like better and pass it on to someone who can use it, if you can find them.

 

 

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You can thank @jessenator for that one, I think it might come from on the IRC channel where I often use abbreviated names for all of Apple's keyboards and monitors (AK, AEK, AKII, ADK, AAK, MCD14-16, MS14/15/17/20, CS/AV17/20, etc etc).

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I used to have one but I think it has been lost to time, probably during a DIY move when someone decided it was too heavy or bulky or whatever. It really looked great with my 6100 at the time, too. Oh well.

 

Most Apple displays were decent but a handful of the Performa units used Goldstar (nee LG) shadow-mask CRTs and these were less than stellar, looking more at home alongside an ACER or even cheaper PC than the period Macs they supported (usually 62/63xx models).

 

I have an Apple 21" Color Display that I picked up (with some difficulty: it's awkwardly bulky and weighs 80lbs) a while back. It uses the weird 3W-whatever professional display plug though and I don't have an appropriate adapter on hand so I haven't been able to fire it up yet. Anyway it was introduced with the first Quadras so if you could find one of these (locally; shipping alone would be killer) it would probably be the best match for your Q950, if only for its size.

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By the time of the 6200/6300, I believe it was the Multiple Scan 14 and 15 that were being shipped with the Performas. Though, globally, a couple different manufacturers built the MS15, there are different enclosures with different ID numbers that will tell you who manufactured them. (UL listing or FCC or other regulatory body numbers.)

 

The performa monitors, and the Multiple Scan 14/15, get a lot more derision than I'd argue they deserve.  "Less than stellar" is usually, honestly, pretty good. (This shouldn't be surprising, I argue this about basically everything.) It's not like this was SGI shipping a 640x480 shadowmask in the late '90s for its machines that exclusively sell for, absolute minimum, $5000. The majority of the Macs that existed and were sold were machines oriented toward home and education environments where budget concerns would win out over other concerns. Apple's cheap displays didn't specifically hurt to look at (any more than any CRT), display fewer colors, have unusually low refresh rates, 

 

(Most of the rest of this is context thoughts and rambling)

 

In 1992 when the Performas launched, the Performa display cost a quarter to half what the ACHRRGBM did, and the 21MCD itself cost almost 3x what the ACHRRGBM did.

(per everymac, $305, $1647, $4599, respectively, in the USA)

 

Further, even in a professional context, something like the 21MCD or even 16MCD (which was ~750 in 1993, I think down from its 1991 launch price) were kind of task-specific displays, and ACHRRGBM or later MCD14 would be the default display for someone who wanted a "nice" monitor but didn't have a professional justification for spending much more on a big display.

 

The Multiple Scan 1705 (then 720) is probably the first Apple "budget friendly" (under $1000) 17-inch display, and that sat underneath the colorsync/applevision family that replaced the MS17/20 as high end displays. (Looking, everymac says the AppleVision 1710 was 999 and the MS1705 was 899, so both are a bit more budget friendly than what they replaced, I wonder at what point in the lifecycle the AV1710 was 999 though, the same monitor was sold under 3 different badges from 1997 to 1999, and the Studio 17 that replaced it in 1999 was $499, I'd have to dig through macworld to see, and, of course, EveryMac tends to do launch list prices, and that'll have floated around over the years, especially in the older days when the monitor models lasted longer.)

 

Right around 1997, maybe very late 1996, was basically the first time I saw recommendations for 17-inch monitors on home Macs,  MacAddict recommended a 6400/200 and an AV1710AV plus some other stuff as a gamer setup. It's interesting to see how the prices on big displays have gone down over time. Heck, anything that had a long life in the '80s and 90s seemed to go down in actual street price over time so it's tough to tell what you could actually get, say, the ACHRRGBM for in 1992, especially if you were willing to buy one that was a few years old.

 

while writing this, @Danamania was kind enough to look at some US magazines for me: in August 1997, the 1705 was $599, 1710 was 699 and the 1710AV was 799, which is way better priced than Apple's suggested price, I think this was basically the tail end of that specific era. (or EveryMac's information was extremely wrong because these displays would have only been a couple months old at that point.)

 

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