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Hi folks...
 
I hope to re install my ethernet card in my color classic over the weekend,
 
A while back, I asked for web sites that could be viewed with old time browsers (no java, no flash, etc) on my Color Classic.  Here is the list from July 2015.
 
I was able to reach the sites listed below using a modern computer. They still work today (April 2016).  I do not know if the sites listed below will display correctly (or at all) on an older browser under OS 7. something.
 
If you have any additions or corrections to this list, please post. Maybe if we develop a good list, one day we can make a sticky? 
 
It is a pain to have my Color Classic hooked up to the internet but not have any web sites that will still work with our old browsers and old OS.  I would like to see this list flushed out.
 
Thanks
 
jack
 

http://www.commodorejohn.com/

http://fink.680x0.com/finkweb/

http://www.gryphel.com/

http://www.warnerbros.com/archive/spacejam/movie/jam.htm

http://toastytech.com/evil/

http://www.fogcam.org/

http://www.pmichaud.com/toast/

http://www.kli.org/

http://home.mcom.com/home/welcome.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/projects/yrreview/year.htm

http://zombo.com/


 

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How well I remember when I could only run Mosaic on my Classic with System 7 and 4MB RAM. I honestly don't remember whether RAM or the processor was the bottleneck, but Netscape might as well have been the moon. I eventually upgraded to a Performa 636CD.

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I do use iCab 2.9.9 on newer 68k hardware, but I'm pretty sure it requires Open Transport. Open Transport needs a 68030 or higher. Netscape 1.0 (1994) is compiled against a 68020, so it won't run on a 68000 Mac such as the SE or Classic. If you'd like to surf the web on such machines, one approach worth considering is using NCSA Telnet to log into a shell from a local server and run the Lynx text based browser in shell. I use Raspbian (Debian) Linux running on a Raspberry Pi 2 for this.

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I had never heard of MacWeb so I just checked it out. It looks like it's one of those super old browsers that doesn't include the domain name it's looking for in it's HTTP request. Thus unless your website has a dedicated IP address for each subdomain (which is craziness), almost nothing is going to load. Even my own websites don't load properly because the browser doesn't understand how to load the appropriate subdomains. 

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have you guys tried online version of pici?

http://pici.picidae.net/

 

used to work immediately, now it takes some time to process...maybe local network OSX version will work faster.

 

It makes a snapshot of modern sites and lets you navigate around it using really obsolete web browsers. Works on my 68k Amiga.

 

For example try apple.com

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I had never heard of MacWeb so I just checked it out. It looks like it's one of those super old browsers that doesn't include the domain name it's looking for in it's HTTP request. Thus unless your website has a dedicated IP address for each subdomain (which is craziness), almost nothing is going to load. Even my own websites don't load properly because the browser doesn't understand how to load the appropriate subdomains. 

 

Yeah, virtual domains are completely broken with it, too.  "Oh, that top-level-domain website you think you're reaching? Nope, I'm going to give you their host's generic error page instead!"

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I am actually working on a project to basically "retrofit" a lot of useful modern web pages and other web services for use in ancient browsers (I am doing most of my testing in Netscape Navigator 4.04) in order to make older computers and software more useful for modern tasks. For web I am mostly creating retro-friendly versions of web pages that have no javascript or anything for older browsers to choke on. This setup requires a sort of "middle box" (I am using a raspberry pi) to serve the pages and also terminate SSL/TLS connections (since virtually nothing SSL-related today supports the cipher suites that netscape and other older browsers use) as well as other intermediary tasks; I am basically using my own internal domain for these pages (maps.legacyweb.net, search.legacyweb.net, weather.legacyweb.net, etc.)

 

So far I am able to do email using my old client (I used pegasus; I think you should be able to use Eudora on a mac) and I also have a retro google maps that lets you search for places nearby and get directions and map images. I plan to do one for weather, news, and search among other things.

 

I also wanted to make AIM useable again, since this was such an integral part of my early Internet experience. AIM recently stopped supporting older clients as MD5 authentication is now deemed insecure. I started on a python program that basically mocks the OSCAR protocol that AIM uses, and can be used to serve other modern chat services such as jabber/xmpp/facebook/etc. I am about halfway done with the mocking of the protocol... I have login, but so far haven't implemented buddy list, etc.

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@agent_js03 that’s very interesting. Are there other limitations besides the browser like the hardware or the OS that would prevent the page from loading? Would be neat if someone could develop a browser that could run on these older systems and handle the modern protocols. 

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Google works just fine on my SE/30 with Netscape 4.08 (and, I believe, earlier versions). I was also able to log in to Facebook and check notifications, though I couldn't get to the feed. Also, many newspapers work just fine, though you might have to do a fair bit of scrolling because of the lack of stylesheet support. But it seems that more and more sites are using HTTP over SSL, and I don't think there are any 68k browsers capable of handling that. You can't even get to Wikipedia.

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