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  1. Yeah, to be honest, I don't know that you'll see that big of a performance difference between FW400 and the internal ATA on Mac OS 9. Classic Mac OS is relatively light on disk activity overall. From the Mac mini's stock 4200RPM hard disk, you'll get a bigger boost out of putting a newer/faster/bigger disk or an SSD in on either interface than you would relying on the fastest overall transfer rate. Mac OS X would benefit more from, say, an SSD on the much faster ATA interface than OS 9 would. (Though I suspect overall responsiveness of OS 9 would improve a lot with an SSD, I don't happen to have had a chance to try it yet, but I do have a PCI SATA card that probably my beige G3 tower will get, so I can give it a go at some point.)
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    WPA2 compatible PCMCIA cards?

    What I used back in the day was the Linksys WPC54G. Worked fine, by my recollection, with WPA2 networks, no additional drivers needed. I don't remember off hand if I had a specific revision and if there's any worry or anything there.
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    Mac Classic 2 bodge wire

    I wouldn't think too hard about it. I've seen bodge used in this context several times, even in scenarios where a thing was done well but it's obvious that the repair isn't ideal and/or the need for the repair isn't ideal. Once tolerances and timings tightened up enough, this kind of fix became unworkable/unreliable and so in relation to the way a faulty board might be tossed or reworked today (or even, IDK, in 1998) I'd say "bodge" is fair. The practice was normal, but it arguably wasn't the best possible repair, it just happened to be good enough and professionally installed and secured. Due to increasing speeds and decreasing timing tolerances, "factory rework" had to change a lot through the course of the '90s, which is almost certainly why we don't see this kind of fix on significantly newer machines.
  4. MacBench 4 is a great tool for general Mac benchmarking, and I'd love it if you sent me the files afterward. It's in public on vtools if you're on there, or, for now, http://vtools.68kmla.org/~/coryw/macbench/ has the CD image and a bunch of other member test files form when I happened to make that public copy. There are other dedicated disk testing tools, but I find MB does that "well enough" while also doing other tests. The Mac mini G4 is one of the fastest OS 9 systems you can get. It benches better than other heavily upgraded PowerMacs in many cases. (there's a 1.5GHz sawtooth file on there, IIRC.) I've seen people claim that the MDD's faster onboard IDE gives it a leg up in Mac OS 9 performance (or at least perceived performance) and I'll be perfectly honest, I kind of doubt it a lot. (That context was a da/QS vs MDD for OS9 discussion.) That kind of thing is tough to judge though. There's almost no official metric for "responsiveness" because different people notice different things and have hang-ups at different points when using their computers.
  5. ATA/100 is faster than Firewire. To put them in the same units: Firewire/400 is approximately 400 megabits/second, and ATA/100 is 800 megabits/second. If this were reversed, I don't really think it would make that big of a difference. Mac OS 9 is relatively light on disk usage.
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    SSD for Powermac G3 beige minitower

    A thing I've seen a few times is SSDs misbehaving when you let OS 9 format them to what it sees as capacity, so, format the SSD to like 110gb and leave the last ~8-10gb free (it can be a bit less than this, IDK what the threshhold is or what SSDs do it) just in case. So basically the disk would ahve a single big boot partition and then a couple empty gigs at the end. That was a different set of circumstances, but. On your QuickSilver and OS X, what version of SO X are you running? Is it 10.3 or newer? I wonder if Journaled HFS is causing problems. I would, if you can, use Classic's disk partitioner, Drive Setup. Another thing to think about is that the onboard IDE controller can be weird, so maybe consider doing like a 7.0-7.5 gigabyte partition at the front of the disk to boot from and then provisioning the next ~100gb as a data partition. (This is known to be an error for OS X but IDK about OS9, I haven't tried it.)
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    SCSI2SSD for Macintosh Portable?

    I don't know the current status of this vendor, but, they have had difficult periods in the not too distant past: If anybody who sees this knows of any updates, I'd be happy to add them to this linked thread. Please tag, quote, or PM me. Unfortunately, I'm not personally aware of anybody else offering recap services at the moment, but I'd be willing to sticky any threads if somebody is doing it on any kind of scale.
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    Radius System 81/110

    I'd say it's probably worth ~120-130% of what an 8100/110 would be worth, if you had two in the same kind of shape/condition/functionality status with basically the same stats. There's a little bit of a clone tax because they are less common. There's also a bit of a /100+ tax on the NuBus machines. By far and away the absolute vast majority of 8100s seem to be the /80 kind, because that lasted longer as a product and was more affordable/attainable even once the 100 and 110 existed. It's a machine that has some slightly better quality of life improvements if you intend to upgrade it, but I'll also argue that G3 upgrades should be reserved for the 80MHz 8100s anyway. And so the onboard graphics on any first-gen NuBus PowerMac only matters if you need a palette display or if you have something else filling that HPV slot. (i.e. the 6100's PC Compatibility slot) PowerMac x100 onboard video is bad and if you have any way to avoid using it at all, you want to. Plus, the HDI45 adapter isn't that bad. Have you ever used SCSI? It's roughly comparable, especially to Apple's own SCSI cables, which often had very long connectors. As another data point: I bought a Power Computing Power 120 for roughly $78 (USD) shipped on eBay last year, and that's a similar machine in a similarly reasonably good case with a DA15 connector instead of the HDI45 one, although I didn't receive it in booting condition. I'd argue that these machines are the most interesting when you leave them as 601 boxes, even if that means they're not actually great Mac OS 9 computers. Which, is fine! They're examples of transition-era computers. To add: Vintage Macs aren't really priced based on functional value. Even if you think a Radius 81 is 2-3x more productive than an Apple 8100 (I'd argue that that's extremely generous, and that an 8500 will whup them both out of the water so hard they may as well not exist to begin with), that doesn't mean that that's what it should cost at 25+ years old.
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    SSD for Powermac G3 beige minitower

    How did you do the copy of 8.6? If you have a working CD-ROM drive, I recommend booting from a Mac OS 8 or 9 CD and using Drive Setup to do the partitioning of your SSD to do a partition. (You could also put a minimal install of 8.6 on, say, a Zip100 disk to do this.) 120GB is small enough that you don't have to partition it if you don't want to. Though, just to be on the safe side, you can (and I would, personally) make your single partition a couple (up to maybe ten) gigs. If you formatted/partitioned it with Mac OS X, a thing to be aware of is that in Disk Utility (OSX's disk partitioning app) you have to select to include Mac OS 9 drivers for booting to work. I find it easier to just do the partitioning in Drive Setup (the Classic Mac OS application)
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    G3 mix, should I proceed?

    Hm. If I had to guess, the tray loaders have an easier time getting heat out (what with having a fan and all), but, not 100% sure if that's the only part of the story. I'd have to look around, it could be my particular iMac failure rate is entirely a fluke. It's a bummer, because I do like the machines a lot, and they generally meet my Mac OS 9 needs pretty well. W/re running OS X on them: I had an iMac/233 as a kid and at some point my parents decided that the thing we should do is give it to one of the grandparents, so, I loaded Mac OS X 10.2 on it (it had an entire 96 megs of RAM) so Internet stuff would work and we took it down to where he lived and he... "worked" but it was not good.
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    Dumb*]#* eBay sellers

    My apologies for the delay on this. This kind of discussion is against the 68kMLA forum rules and has been for a decade. eBay has a built-in feedback system.
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    G3 mix, should I proceed?

    Wild! but, good! I have three slotloading iMac G3s and two are dead or dying. One, I got from someone, drove home, it worked once and then never again, and then the other, boots and runs but the display is badly distorted and inconsistent in terms of geometry and look, so it's clear it's in the process of dying. The third, just works basically perfectly minus the CDROM drive. I presume it's possible to fix these things up, I just haven't got the time or energy for it.
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    G3 mix, should I proceed?

    I'd say to go ahead and do it, at least if you have the space. Test everything and either hold onto it for later when you're motivated or pass things along if you think you're not going to want something. Just because Pismos are findable today (in the US, at least) doesn't mean it'll still be easy or possible in another five years. The problem with "oh this isn't rare" is stuff gets tossed and then suddenly it is rare. Trayload iMacs are still fine computers, in the vintage Mac sense, just not particularly good at OS X (although I'd kind of argue the slotloaders aren't really great at OS X either,, the speakers aren't super relevant unless you're using it as a jukebox specifically, and firewire is mainly important on the slotloaders to avoid having to deal with the internal optical drive.) Mac OS 9 arguably stops benefitting from more RAM beyond 256-320 or so except for a handful of oddly specific use cases that under a dozen people who exist are still doing. iMacs in general are also pretty rapidly dying, so if you can keep a couple working you might have something with slightly boosted value in a couple more years.
  14. Did your network ranges change? Since you had manually set an IP you might need to re-set it to something that's available. Ideally something outside your DHCP range so as to prevent a possible conflict, but still within the network scope. That the printer works (over Ethernet, I'm presuming, but using appletalk, probably), makes me think that Ethernet itself is not the problem here. I have an Asante Micro EN/SC and that works fine on all my gigabit LAN equipment I've connected it to.
  15. Hello everyone, Welcome to the newly refreshed 68kMLA! It’s the same as the old one, but we moved the site to some new hardware! My apologies for both the recent extended outage and the lack of any forewarning that this was going to happen. wthww and I have been workshopping this move for a little while, and, for me at least, some stress related to work and the real world got in the way of the communication between us about it. With that in mind, and with the less than completely perfect introduction to the move, I wanted briefly to talk about what we (wthww did all the actual work) did and why. We were due for a regularly scheduled outage for a software update and snapshot, which itself would probably have gone faster, but we also made the decision to re-locate the site to some new hosting, which turned out to take longer than we thought it would, for a couple technical reasons. First, why a new host? The short answer is that the 68kMLA uses over 200 gigs of disk space, as of this writing, between the content database for the forum, the media for the forum, and the existing wiki. In addition to the other stuff wthww hosts, both in terms of disk space and other resources, hosting at a cloud provider was beginning to cost approximately a car payment. The second part of that is, on the hosting provider we were on, burstable disk activity was fine but continuous activity was severely limited, which was sometimes causing some problems with day-to-day forum activity, and more problems with larger maintenance and update projects. The new hardware will allow the site more room to grow, and will make future upgrades easier and cheaper for us. Second, why did it take so long? Well, that’s still down to the size of the site and the limitations of our previous hosting arrangement. That continuous activity is most of what caused the long wait as the forum was migrated out of that hosting arrangement. We’re still working on the last of the changes and fixes, so if you find any errors, please let us know in our brand new bug tracker thread: And, if you’ve got any other thoughts on this, we’ve got a meta discussion in the lounge: Thank you again for your patience on this! Best, - Cory5412/Cory W.
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