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Major Score! 8600 with Sonnet CPU, 3DFX card, Etc

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6 minutes ago, travistouchdown said:

Perfect!  One less PCI slot to worry about!  

 

Still going to keep an eye out for a Trio......seems like a good card to have.   Plus i'll eventually want a SATA card so i can do an HDD and the trio will come in handy then to run a CDR drive from while maintaining USB/Firewire inputs. 

If you successfully track down a Trio, I'd personally skip the SATA interface unless you have specific drives you want to use. The ATA133 on the Trio is as fast as 1.5Gb SATA even with no bottleneck, and there are plenty of IDE drives floating around, up to 750GB (from Xserve RAIDs.)

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I think the benefit of SATA in PPC Macs is that SSDs are so cheap now, and you probably won't have as many compatibility issues using it natively off SATA.  IDE 750GB drives are getting tad long in the tooth to trust.

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1 hour ago, jeremywork said:

I've seen up to 29Mbps over an Apple 10/100 PCI when moving files to a fast disk (either a Jackhammer UW SCSI card or the Sonnet Tempo Trio) (I'd expect the 8600 would be able to achieve this too.)  If there's enough interest I can test the 9600's 10/100 with stock CPUs.

Hmm.... makes me want to get such a card and look. I've got an 8600/350, a Beige G3/300 and a blue-white G3/450 (which of course has onboard 10/100 ethernet) and while I can see those systems being able to push more -- and 29 is meaningfully more, especially if you paired it with a really good file server and, IDK, were editing video or running Virtual PC machines off of networked storage, how it would be a big upgrade.

 

I saw a card the other day with USB, Firewire, and SATA on it that I'm told works on classic Macs, it was linked in the IRC channel, but I've forgotten the name.

 

Re setting up a new disk system, Agree with Byrd, I'd favor SATA over IDE. The newest IDE disks are over ten years old at this point. If you already have a big investment in IDE infrastructure, then yay, but if not, then a SATA card is going to be operationally more convenient.

 

 

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750GB IDE drives were never common. People were switching to SATA back when a 250GB IDE was massive so anything over that size is hard to find (even if reliable). SATA to IDE adapters are cheap so I don't see an issue with using a newer larger faster SATA drive with an older IDE only system (or just buying a SATA PCI card. If the system has the option for SATA or IDE I go with SATA because the drives are easier and cheaper to source plus I don't waste a 500GB SATA on a system that will not need that kind of space. You still have the issue of SATA 3 and newer drives not switching to SATA 1 mode for older systems.

 

 

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Even without a SATA card, getting an IDE to SATA bridge board and a cheap SSD is more than overkill for just about any IDE Macs.  You really can't beat ~$30 for an SSD that works with IDE Macs ($10 for the IDE to SATA bridge and $20 for the SSD):

https://www.microcenter.com/product/317195/kingwin-sata-to-ide-bridge-board

https://www.microcenter.com/product/485877/inland-professional-120gb-ssd-3d-tlc-nand-sata-iii-6gb-s-25-internal-solid-state-drive-(120g)

 

I've used that exact combination in my G4 Cube and Beige G3 minitower on the stock IDE controllers with no issues.

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Why are the above links In-store pickup only?  Bizarre...lol

 

Looks like the way to go when my IDE HDD dies.  Actually with a second IDE input on the card i should get one in there and backup my data to it first...

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If you don't already have an IDE card and you can find a SATA card reasonably priced, that's the way I'd go entirely for the reason that inside a computer, SATA cables are much easier to manage and route.

 

Incidentally, I'm like 90% that the Kingwin adapter is the one I have (except I got mine at Fry's Electronics) and I couldn't get it running, in my QS'02, in a firewire enclosure, with disks above or below 120 gigs.

 

At some point, I do want to find a working adapter though, because being able to use some of the onboard IDE connections in some of my existing systems (with onboard IDE and pre-routed cabling) would be very convenient.

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I’ve considered a SATA card for my PT Pro. If you work it out, let me know. As of now, I have an ATA card with old HD, as well as SCSI2SD as the main drive.

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Dug out a Image Writer II Platinum and cleaned it up; hooked up to the 8600.  It's a little old but there it was in the Chooser :) 

 

Prints okay; need to grab a new ribbon ASAP.  Going to keep it setup and try to find a better home/location for it. 

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Glad to see that mic in place! That's a really nice looking IWII. I have my family's original. Most of them you find elsewhere these days are in absolutely awful shape.

 

I bought these ribbons about a year ago. Other than some initial smudging, they work well.

 

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00JGVS6RS/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

 

I got them for $16.99. It appears the price has gone up somewhat since then.

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Thanks for the link!  I also PM'd a member about ribbons that was mentioned earlier in the thread. 

 

I could feed in one page at a time but typically there is no way to use loose paper with these right?  You have to use the connected paper?

 

EDIT:  Much better; made some space for it on the desk, now looks like a full 90's setup haha

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You can use loose paper: The selector is the large sliding tab on the right rear by the feed knob: towards you for tractor feed, away for single sheet feed. I don't recall if the printer is smart enough to detect that, or if you have to select manual feed as an option in the print dialog box. At any rate, I didn't bother and went for the retro experience with this:

 

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0027653CK/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1

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Thanks for the link; def going for box of tractor feed for old times sake.  I think they still sell it at staples too of all places.  

 

I think if you do loose feed you have to feed it in one sheet at a time because there is no tray to support loose paper behind the machine...lol 

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I'd be most concerned about chemical breakdown, but I can't validate that concern. A show of good faith from the owner by demonstrating their condition (even if it was rubbing it on paper or whatever) would be nice.

 

Maybe forum user eraser would have some insight. They sell the new-make color ribbons on the forum (stickied in the trading post). Maybe shoot them a PM?

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I think eraser started the whole new ribon thing, and then maceffects took over(but I don't think he's doing that anymore as he has his hands full with the cases)

 

The ebay link says it has 1 year warranty and the dude has really good feedback, so could be worth buying it from him

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12 hours ago, travistouchdown said:

For under $5 shipped I took a chance on it :)

 

Will still try to buy new if anyone heard any members are still making them or have stock available.

 

@maceffects mentioned to me he was out of stock.

The ink in one of these is oil based and not water based (otherwise, the hardware would be prone to rust -- same with typewriter ribbons). What has happened if a NOS ribbon has dried out is that the oil has evaporated and/or solidified, but in a NOS item the pigment is obviously still present. Theoretically, such a ribbon ought to be able to be "reactivated" by opening up the case and giving the fabric a quick burst of a spray-based  oil. The cartridge rollers and any foam etc. could be inspected/renewed at the same time. The goal is not to make anything sopping wet, but just lightly damp. The ribbon ought to barely stain your fingers when touched.

 

Renewing the ribbon's oil should do the pins in the printhead some good as well, once printing begins.

 

WD-40 was often used back in the day to breathe extra life into used ribbons, so it should work on NOS ribbons even better. However, WD-40 WILL gum up if left to fester for long periods of time, so beware if using it around a printhead that might, as is in the nature of things in our hobby, lie inactive on a shelf for years between uses. If a proper machine oil (which WD-40 isn't) can be found to use instead, I'd go with it.

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