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1 hour ago, LaPorta said:

Anything at all ImageWriter II and up as far as Apple printers. 90s HP DeskJets, Epson Stylus Color series are all solid choices, provided they work.

For sure.  Actually have a boxed ImageWriterII handy.  Sure it works (those things are tanks) probably just needs a new ribbon.  Maybe i'll give that a whirl just for fun even though it isn't period correct. 

 

Was mac still making printers in 1997?  I forget what year they gave up on that....lol 

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21 minutes ago, travistouchdown said:

For sure.  Actually have a boxed ImageWriterII handy.  Sure it works (those things are tanks) probably just needs a new ribbon.  Maybe i'll give that a whirl just for fun even though it isn't period correct. 

  

Was mac still making printers in 1997?  I forget what year they gave up on that....lol 

Give maceffects a buzz he has some ribbons

Cheers

AP

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Very nice looking setup.

 

A couple of LaserWriters were still available in 1997, as well as I think some Stylewriters. The LaserWriter 12/640 and 8500 were the newest laserwriters. The LaserWriter 630, 630 Pro and 16/600PS predate this by a good bit but loads, perhaps even most of the ones sold earlier in the '90s would still have been in service. Those are Canon EX (IIRC) engines, you can think of them as rebadged laserwriter 4s and they take the same cartridges, so it's not unreasonable to keep them running today. At least a few of those have ethernet and can speak TCP/IP as well, so you can use them on modern computers - though they're slow and use a lot of power by modern standards.

The StyleWriters Apple ever sold were mostly Canon and HP engines, some going as far to be pretty overtly re-badged HP DeskJets.

 

All of that stuff got discontinued upon or just before the introduction of the PowerMac G3, so you could also reasonably pair this with a Newton, a OneScanner or Color OneScanner and a QuickTake. There's also the quicktime video conferencing camera, which -- purely for interest unless you actually have ISDN or anything that can interface with it -- originally paired with an ISDN telephony add-in card, which would be something really fun to drop in a 7000 or 8000 series machine from this era, at the height of the idea of telecommuting.

 

Also curious: does that microphone you have attached work? It's designed for 68k Macs (outside of the AV Quadras) which used the older microphone connector and there's a good chance it doesn't. The newer large microphone is the "correct" one to use with this machine, if you can find one.

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5 hours ago, Cory5412 said:

There's also the quicktime video conferencing camera, which -- purely for interest unless you actually have ISDN or anything that can interface with it -- originally paired with an ISDN telephony add-in card, which would be something really fun to drop in a 7000 or 8000 series machine from this era, at the height of the idea of telecommuting.

I think ISDN is actually still a thing, isn't it?

 

Kinda like DSL. Technically it's still there, but people have largely forgotten about it because better things came along.

 

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Thanks all!  Was wondering about the microphone myself....I know it's a gen older, but it uses the 3.5mm input jack on the back so i would think it works barring a software incompatibility?

 

Anyone have an idea of a good basic program to test the mic?   Thanks. 

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Just use the Monitors & Sound control panel to record an alert sound: easiest way there is. Cory is right: the regular PlainTalk mics were long gone by then. I believe yours will work, but the reverse is not true. The newer ones use a longer, 3-part miniplug that won’t fit the older Macs jack. Someone with more knowledge correct me: the extra contact on the newer one was either for stereo recording or rear noise cancellation ( I think it was the latter).

 

if you want one, I have a few I’m trying to get rid of.

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It looks as if your stereo is just behind you. Why don't you plug the sound out from the back of the mac to the aux in on your amp? The little computer speakers are grand but if you've got 50W of amp onhand, I'd go for the rich sound of the better speakers (not to mention the amplification).

Of course, if you have young children (as the pictures on the wall seem to indicate) then Marathon may not be the best choice of game to be playing in front of small children.

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UVM alum?  :)  That's a sweet setup. I instantly fell in love with them when they were first released.  Never had one though! Awesome to find such a machine in the Northeast... seems our pickings are substantially slimmer than... anywhere really. Time to plug in old vcr and watch some videos on there. Not because you'd really want to, but because you CAN! lol

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6 hours ago, CC_333 said:

I think ISDN is actually still a thing, isn't it?

It is, and to be honest, this is unrelated, but I'm thinking of asking my telco to give it to me, for hilarity reasons. I've got a small PBX I can pipe a BRI or a PRI into and get some neat calling functionality with.

 

Anyway, the trouble would be, ISDN might not be something the telco has a lot of capacity for, might require line conditioning (though probably not more than DSL), etc. 

 

6 hours ago, CC_333 said:

Kinda like DSL. Technically it's still there, but people have largely forgotten about it because better things came along.

Depends on what you mean by came along. I've got a VDSL2 line at 40/20 and the telco is telling me up to 140/? is available at my home, and that's before looking at upgrades to g.fast. I don't know if that involves bonding or if it's a single pair.

 

There's a certain area where upgrading to a better DSL technology gives you cheap immediate results ahead of The Real Answer which is to lay fiber directly to homes.

 

The physical layout of cable infrastructure makes it easier to just drop newer, higher-bandwidth DOCSIS devices and better responsiveness to simple in-line amplifiers relative to what needs to be done to improve the layout and speeds of a DSL system. (moving to g-fast outside of in-building installations or communities planned up front for it (bad idea) will likely require FITL-style midsized pedestals for every few houses, and by that time you've spent almost as much money installing new equipment and power delivery that you may as well just have dropped fiber in.

 

ISPs who bothered to lay any fiber are enjoying the ability to just replace the endpoint equipment for generational (BPOIN -> GPON -> XGPON) upgrades, but, like, that was never particularly common, unfortunately.  (Also: re-factoring split factors isn't typically very difficult.)

 

.... anyway.

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6 hours ago, LaPorta said:

Just use the Monitors & Sound control panel to record an alert sound: easiest way there is. Cory is right: the regular PlainTalk mics were long gone by then. I believe yours will work, but the reverse is not true. The newer ones use a longer, 3-part miniplug that won’t fit the older Macs jack. Someone with more knowledge correct me: the extra contact on the newer one was either for stereo recording or rear noise cancellation ( I think it was the latter).

 

if you want one, I have a few I’m trying to get rid of.

You have an extra 3 directional PlainTalk Mic?  I think that is period correct for this machine.  I'll test my 68k model tonight and get back to you asap.

 

5 hours ago, ArmorAlley said:

It looks as if your stereo is just behind you. Why don't you plug the sound out from the back of the mac to the aux in on your amp? The little computer speakers are grand but if you've got 50W of amp onhand, I'd go for the rich sound of the better speakers (not to mention the amplification).

Of course, if you have young children (as the pictures on the wall seem to indicate) then Marathon may not be the best choice of game to be playing in front of small children.

Not a bad idea!  Would be a long 3.5mm extension cord, but 2000w 7.1CH surround sound might be fun for doom :D haha.  I do have kids and my 5 year old loves playing on my old Apple's/Macs (kids games/programs of course.)

 

I just like the look of the beige speakers i guess, they sound okay but you are right speaker technology has come a looooooong way. 

 

5 hours ago, MJ313 said:

UVM alum?  :)  That's a sweet setup. I instantly fell in love with them when they were first released.  Never had one though! Awesome to find such a machine in the Northeast... seems our pickings are substantially slimmer than... anywhere really. Time to plug in old vcr and watch some videos on there. Not because you'd really want to, but because you CAN! lol

Yessir, was at UVM from 05-09 after four years in the Army.  Thanks and yes, pretty slim pickings up here, was very happy to find it as well at that price and with the upgrades.  I'm going to plug in an Atari Jaguar soon and play some video games.  Is there any way to full screen that input window on Apple Video or do i just have to change the resolution to like 640 x 480 to get it as big as possible? 

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When I used it (which admittedly was awhile ago), I had my monitor set at 640x480. Maybe someone with a bit more experience with it can chime in if they know of any other way.   Thank you for your service!

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My little mic does not work apparently.  Tried all the input settings under Sounds and attempted to record and nothing.  Interesting. 

 

@LaPorta I'll take you up on that if you have an extra Plaintalk mic.  To be clear there is only a single 3.5mm mic input in the back of my machine. 

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On 1/15/2020 at 11:09 AM, Cory5412 said:

It is, and to be honest, this is unrelated, but I'm thinking of asking my telco to give it to me, for hilarity reasons. I've got a small PBX I can pipe a BRI or a PRI into and get some neat calling functionality with.

 

Anyway, the trouble would be, ISDN might not be something the telco has a lot of capacity for, might require line conditioning (though probably not more than DSL), etc. 

 

 

BRI ISDN is pretty much dead in the US. Verizon killed it off in 2013 and most other RBOCs make it impossible to order and expensive if you manage to provision a line. 20 years ago a family member had a ISDN line as they worked from home...... the office paid for it. It was treated as a tariff voice service with expensive voice service rates to go with it. You were charged message units....double if you did bonded B-channel data, un-metered service was and still is expensive. Plus you had to pay for a dialup ISP on top of that, which also usually charged more for ISDN access.

 

The voice end was pretty boring as most people just used the POTS jacks on the ISDN terminals. I don't think I've ever since a real ISDN handset. If you have an old PBX with PRI (aka T1) trunk interfaces, you can buy a PCI/PCIe PRI card on ebay and setup an Asterisk box with VoIP trunks to play with it. BRI PCI cards exist, but they only support EuroISDN standards since it was more popular there.

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