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Hi all.

 

I'm collecting old rack synthesizers, samplers and so on. Is it possible to control all of them simultaneously from some kind of MIDI sequencing software?

 

As I know Atari ST had Steinberg Cubase which allows to record and playback a lot of MIDI-tracks. Could I use my SE/30 for making a music on my home retro-studio? :)

 

Thanks.

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MOTU's Performer was the hot thing back in the SE/30's day. If you can find a working copy of it I'd say that's a good bet. The tougher part might be finding a MIDI interface for the Mac...

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Yeah sure you can use your SE/30 as a MIDI sequencer. You can even use your Plus/SE if you want.

Here's video proof:

 

 

There used to be MIDI PDS cards for the SE. No idea if such a thing existed for the 030 PDS...

But Serial MIDI boxes were available back in the day. Ebay is a good place to look for one: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/MIDI-Edge-For-Macintosh-SE-Plus-LC-ETC-Including-Cable-/262852459194?hash=item3d333a3aba:g:KL4AAOSwnHZYUcn2

 

Then you'll need the proper software. Blitter is right, Performer is indeed the best MIDI sequencer available. Version 1.7.1 is available on the Mac Garden (Requires 5 800k disks & DC4.2!!)

 

This is awesome. I don't know how to MIDI but I should give it a go some time.

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Does SE/30 has enough speed and performance to operate with up to 16 MIDI channels while playing/recording of complex melodies?

 

Are there anyone who tried to use SE/30 in studio in the past? :)

 

 

"But Serial MIDI boxes were available back in the day" - I found a lot of cheap and cool Opcode Studio rack MIDI interfaces at ebay :)

 

 

I also want to try to execute Akai MESA software on this computer.

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heres a vid i did on midi.

 

 

I giged live for years with a mac se. I used a program called mastertrax pro 4 .

Created all the sequences myself, by hand in the good old days before the internet

The old macs could only handle midi. No wave files, no vst , just pure midi. I had the mac driving my roland d-50, roland r-70

On average I would use around 8 channels - the Mac NEVER choked on anything

Even pitch bend which , believe it or not, is one of the heavy midi process's.( well... was back them)

Mastertrax would transmit all the program change, volume controls, pan etc etc. 

 

I remember that thin lizzy's 'perisian walkway' ( an instrumental i used to play) was a MASSIVE 126k on the hard drive. This that was the biggest song I used. Was my own sequence nearly 6 minutes long.

 

Theres allot to be said for the old gear

 

For live gigs I could load the entire set into  memory and just click on the next song. Press play and all the adjustments were instant.

I had to get the brother to expand the memory to hold all the songs for each half of the gig

 

The mac SE was down right bullet proof. In 5 years of gigging it never let me down once. From freezing winters to red hot summers, to drunken irish idiots spilling beer on top of the mac(no joke.....some woman puked on it another night)

 

I must of been the only paddy in ireland , walking into pubs with an ibanez and a mac to do a gig. Got some heads turning.

 

Heres a vid from the time - my mac is in the background - oh jasus thoes were the days - no internet, no stupid smart phones, no money.

I had to figure out everything myself - no instructions, internet or cheats - ........ i nailed that program man......was even able to do system exclusive bulk dumps of all my midi gear onto the hard drive so i wouldnt loose anything.

 

If i were ever to use midi again on stage I would use one of my se/30's - no question about it - to hell with modern intel crap

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Edited by falen5

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Sure, But... I have a copy of mastertrax sitting around, I tried running it the other day and it dinged me asking for a serial number. Aint got that! whoops... 

Edited by techknight

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I run Master Tracks Pro 5 on my SE/30 with a MOTU MIDI Time Piece A/V just fine....

I'll try to get it on my Macbook, and send it to you....

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Also interesting is...

Passport still sells Master Tracks Pro, but only for Microsoft, not Apple, and they were one of the first to use MIDI on the early Apple II machines.

Although, you can still download the full manual from them.

And, at one point, it was called "Trax".

Opcode "vision", and "Studio Vision" were free on the Gibson site, after they bought Opcode.

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The program I used was Pro 4 by a crowd called 'mark of the unicorn'. 

I remember the name because I used the same program for years

 

After watching my own video again I know where I have my copy of the one i used in the vid. On my external scsi drive

If you are stuck ill gladly see if I can transfer it and send it to you. 

 

midimidimidimidimidimidimidimidimidi..........then pop music..........what a cruel world!!

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The program I used was Pro 4 by a crowd called 'mark of the unicorn'. 

I remember the name because I used the same program for years

 

After watching my own video again I know where I have my copy of the one i used in the vid. On my external scsi drive

If you are stuck ill gladly see if I can transfer it and send it to you. 

 

midimidimidimidimidimidimidimidimidi..........then pop music..........what a cruel world!!

 

I watched your vid from when you used to do that stuff, Definitely a different style of music than I am used to! I am more of a europop/eurodance/techno nerd. 90s mainly. early 2000s ok. Cannot stand the 80s :(

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I am more of a europop/eurodance/techno nerd. 90s mainly. early 2000s ok. Cannot stand the 80s :(

If that's what I think it is, it's okay, but I really don't like it very much.

 

I much prefer, in no particular order:

  • Classical
  • Oldies (50s through 60s mainly, though there's stuff from the 70s, 80s, and even the 90s that I like)
  • Folk (pretty much everything from the first Carter Family recordings to the present day)
  • Jazz (particularly some of the Swing Era stuff from the 30s and 40s, plus Dave Brubeck from the late 50s and 60s)
  • Some Blues (there's not a whole lot of it that I like)
  • A little Bluegrass/Old Time
  • Show Tunes/Easy Listening (mostly like pop music played by mostly standard classical/jazz orchestras; there's considerable overlap with swing/big band (especially early on; consequently, it could be thought of as a continuation/evolution of the genre), and it seems it was rather popular from the 50s through the 70s)

Stuff that I refuse to listen to unless forced:

  • Virtually everything from the 2000s and 2010s (there are some glimmers of improvement in that situation; hopefully I'll like the 2020s better)
  • Most stuff from the 90s (there are some songs which, for better or worse, I feel a bit of nostalgia for, so I might listen to those if they happen to be on the radio)
  • Most Rap/Hip Hop, particularly stuff from the 90s and beyond (some of the early 80s stuff, which I heard for the first time only last year, is actually pretty good)

These are only a few of the many western styles that are prevalent in the US; anything else is fair game, since I can't say no to stuff I've never heard :)

 

Speaking of which, I haven't looked at your video yet, but I'm sure it's interesting!

 

c

Edited by CC_333

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Yep you have the exact opposite of music taste that I do. I cant stand the stuff that you listen to, and I listen to the stuff, well 75% of it that you dont. 

 

I do like classic rock though. Courtesy of a young me in moms record collection from back then. 

 

As far as 80s, I may have been a bit harsh. it really depends on what it is. I like Rockwell's somebodys watching me, maybe some Huey Lewis and some other stuff. 

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Also interesting is...

Passport still sells Master Tracks Pro, but only for Microsoft, not Apple, and they were one of the first to use MIDI on the early Apple II machines.

Although, you can still download the full manual from them.

And, at one point, it was called "Trax".

 

 

Seems to me like Trax was a stripped down version of Master Tracks. I could get Trax but cannot find a copy of Master Tracks anywhere (except the Atari version). Anybody?

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On 2/26/2017 at 7:09 PM, blitter said:

MOTU's Performer was the hot thing back in the SE/30's day. If you can find a working copy of it I'd say that's a good bet. The tougher part might be finding a MIDI interface for the Mac...

 

On 3/10/2017 at 9:17 PM, falen5 said:

heres a vid i did on midi.

 

 

 

I giged live for years with a mac se. I used a program called mastertrax pro 4 .

Created all the sequences myself, by hand in the good old days before the internet

The old macs could only handle midi. No wave files, no vst , just pure midi. I had the mac driving my roland d-50, roland r-70

On average I would use around 8 channels - the Mac NEVER choked on anything

Even pitch bend which , believe it or not, is one of the heavy midi process's.( well... was back them)

Mastertrax would transmit all the program change, volume controls, pan etc etc. 

 

I remember that thin lizzy's 'perisian walkway' ( an instrumental i used to play) was a MASSIVE 126k on the hard drive. This that was the biggest song I used. Was my own sequence nearly 6 minutes long.

 

Theres allot to be said for the old gear

 

For live gigs I could load the entire set into  memory and just click on the next song. Press play and all the adjustments were instant.

I had to get the brother to expand the memory to hold all the songs for each half of the gig

 

The mac SE was down right bullet proof. In 5 years of gigging it never let me down once. From freezing winters to red hot summers, to drunken irish idiots spilling beer on top of the mac(no joke.....some woman puked on it another night)

 

I must of been the only paddy in ireland , walking into pubs with an ibanez and a mac to do a gig. Got some heads turning.

 

Heres a vid from the time - my mac is in the background - oh jasus thoes were the days - no internet, no stupid smart phones, no money.

I had to figure out everything myself - no instructions, internet or cheats - ........ i nailed that program man......was even able to do system exclusive bulk dumps of all my midi gear onto the hard drive so i wouldnt loose anything.

 

If i were ever to use midi again on stage I would use one of my se/30's - no question about it - to hell with modern intel crap

-

 

Hi Falen5 and others on thos thread,

i have a question re old mac and midi. I’m looking at purchasing a Roland/Yamaha or Korg sound module, midi keyboard and maybe a few other bits like a mixing desk partly because they’re cheap enough on eBay and partly my fascinated with all things 1980/90’s and home studio recording equipment always intrigued me, mixing it together with my little SE/30 whilst improving its in game sound to boot seems a no brainer and a bit of fun. 

 

I do have a midiman macman abd (seriel)/midi converter for the mac (see pic below) although no musical talent or knowledge in this area so any advise on doing this, software, setup and hardware recommendations would be appreciated?

 

neal

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