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I came across this just now on  the Macintosh Garden: http://macintoshgarden.org/apps/sonnet-tangotempo-firmware-update-version-13

 

Sonnet Tango/Tempo Firmware Update (Version 1.3)

I (handle = weasel) have SUCCESSFULLY tested this patch with my Twentieth Anniversary Macintosh (TAM), running Mac OS 9.2.2, and an older Sonnet Tango/Temp combo card (Tango 2.0 — which I recently purchased used on eBay. A picture of the type of card I have is also uploaded. I suspect that this firmware update will work on a whole generation of older Sonnet Tango-series USB/FW combination cards!

Without this firmware update, the Mac only recognizes this card as some sort of "PCI Bridge", but neither USB nor Firewire devices work with it.

WITH this firmware update, so far the USB functionality works fine. Will test Firewire and update later.

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Does that update the firmware on the Tango card or on the 20th Anniversary Mac?    Most (all?) USB/Firewire combo cards do not have on-board firmware.   They rely on drivers loaded by the OS.

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Ah, so it's an Open Firmware thingamajigger that lives in the NVRAM.   I wish I felt that it was worth the effort to learn Open Firmware, so I could decode the thing and figure out what it's doing.  Because I want to know what it's doing, but I don't want to expend the amount of effort it would take to find out....

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I'll have to check but if that's the same version I have at home it didn't work the Tango 2.0 I tried, but it looks like from your photo that you've got one of the strange Tango 2.0s that was really a Tempo Trio minus the IDE controller/ports.

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The patch was for x500/TAM primarily as the x400s played nicer.

 

The Tango (Trio Style) cards shipped with different chipsets, so that could be the reason for the issues. 

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Ok I found my Sonnet Tango 2.0 board... I installed it.. turned USB extensions on and applied the patch.. Now when I boot it freezes at the MacOS screen and mouse freezes.. I've zapped the PRAM no change.. I've held shift to disable extensions no change... Any help would be appreciated!

 

I remember now tinkering with this a while back... I am using OS 9.1.. and the USB drivers for that. Last time I tried this I think I suspected having a SSD IDE drive may had something to do with it... 

 

Again any help would be appreciated.

 

Thanks,

Edited by aplmak

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Which Tango 2.0 do you have, the strange one that looks like a Tempo Trio with the IDE ports missing or the standard one (see page 2)?  The one I tried was just the standard model and it never got past the "pci-bridge" stage, though my TAM did boot successfully with it installed.

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Hi all,

I have a new possible lead for ye. There is a seller in eBay.de selling MacAlly USB 1.1 PCI cards. His (or her) handle is snogard, the card in question is the Macally UH-241 USB 1.1 Adapter and it's current asking price is €6.10.

Shipping is only within Germany, but I'm if asked nicely, he may ship abroad. I can always bid for it. I'm off up to Germany in a few weeks' time.

HTh,

aa.

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I really need help with this... I have NEVER had a card working on my TAM.. and I have tried so, so many... I have a few that I know are compatible.. For sure... But I think I have the wrong extension versions and so on. I've tried 9.1's (runnin 9.1) and I think it's freezing on the "USB Support" or "USB Mass Storage Support" extensions... I am working now to find out what one.. And these are the OS 9.1 versions.. I've tried USB Support floppy images from a Apple Recovery CD but those didn't work either... Any help here would be greatly appreciated.. I need to know what version to use on OS 9.1 or do I have to change OS's??? Like I said I do know I have 1.1 OHCI compatible cards... I'm just having issues with the correct software..

 

And Apple System Profiler see's the card... but it's still an Unknown type.. But the system is seeing the card..

 

It is a Keyspan 1.1 2 port PCI card... Do I need Keyspan drivers perhaps... This is really driving me nuts..

 

Found a lot of useful info here: http://www.zone6400.com/files/firewire_USB.html

 

But if anyone has any suggestions for me I would appreciate ANY and ALL help...

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Evil I tried so many combinations and could not get it to work.... It's two extensions or one of the two.. USB Support and USB Mass Storage Support... They freeze it upon start up and I have to remove the card to get it to boot... It won't even boot with extensions off... This is on SSW 9.1... I've eliminated the Sonnet Crescendo G3 upgrade.. and everything else... It's those two extensions.. I even found the Kespan utility program to work on Mac OS for it.. no help..

 

I'm going to configure a brand new IDE drive with maybe 8.6 and see if I can get it to work... It's so weird!!!!!!!!

 

And I've tried two USB Adapter Card software 1.3.5 and 1.4.1 I think they were... as well as sys 9.1 versions.. removing all associated files for each and starting fresh...

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That is very strange.  I had a similar issue when I was trying the 14 or so combo cards I ran through but wiping the drive and using a fresh install always worked for getting the known good cards to be recognized again.

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Yeah as we all know a nice wipe and new install usually solves a lot of issues... :p

 

"Have you turned it off and on again".... lol... (from IT Crowd)

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My quest is at an end!

 

The G3 DT showed up yesterday and the lots of cards came in last week and I finally had a chance to get in to everything last night. As it turns out, the "original" OrangeLink card that was in the lot of many cards I bought was the second revision so I didn't bother testing it (though I will be doing so at some point this weekend). The G3 DT that omidimo found DID have the version 1 board which I put in my TAM and (after running the pci bridge patch), I'll let the pictures speak for themselves:

 

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The version two card which I'll try out hopefully some time this weekend

 

 

Did that version 2 card end up working?

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This is a really fascinating thread!

 

While I'm here, I'd like to ask if anyone has come across a Sonnet Tango 3.0? It has Firewire 800 and USB 3.0, and I'm looking for one for a project.

 

EDIT: This is the PCIe version.

 

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How many people have tried these multi-function USB/FW/Ethernet/ATA/whatever cards and found problems? It seems like many, and I myself have had issues. The question is: what version of Mac OS are you running?

 

I have a RATOC USB/FW card (with a TI PCIBus bridge, TI FW chips, Opti USB chip) in my beige G3. Originally I wanted to run OS 8.6 because there were a few programs that get kind of weird under OS 9 and also, everyone runs OS 9; I wanted something different, since basically every modern Mac that I have runs a version of 9.

Anyway I installed the RATOC card and it wouldn't function properly, regardless of which version of USB or FW support software I installed. Eventually I installed OS 9.1 and it started working, mostly: FW devices often only appear over a restart, so they need to be present at boot or they don't show up on the desktop. It still shows up as 'pci bridge' in System Profiler.

 

Something to try with the other questionable cards: install OS 9.1, install the latest FW/USB adapter support software, and have all devices attached at boot time. If they still don't work, they probably never will.

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Dear all,

 

So as a follow-up on EvilCapitalists suggestion that some of the cards might require additional power to be fully functional (i.e. both Firewire and USB working), I had a go with a Belkin F5U508 PCI rev 3.0 on a PM 5500, drawing power to the molex connector on the card from the hard drive molex connector using a Y-splitter,

 

However, no luck though, the card does get recognised, with two devices recognised as USB cards, and with the Firewire side working perfectly, however the result is the same as without additional power, i.e. USB devices getting power but not recognised.

 

Funny enough, when trying this card on a B&W G3, both USB and Firewire sides work absolutely fine, with the card being recognised as two USB cards as well and a generic device which corresponds the the Firewire side of the card.

 

I also had a go at the Sonnet and OrangeLink PCI bridge NVRAM patches even though the card doesn't show up as a PCI bridge, however no luck there either.

 

So it's not that this card doesn't work with macs to begin with, the Gazelle architecture seems to be having trouble with multifunction cards altogether.

 

I have tried it with USB extensions 1.5.5, and on the B&W where the card worked flawlessly USB extensions were, 1.5.6, so I would try it with 1.5.6 on the PM 5500 but I wouldn't hold my breath.

 

Cheers,

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I have tried with USB 1.5.6 with the Belkin F5U508 PCI rev 3.0 in a PM 5500 but to no avail, even with extra power to the card. And even with the "USB mass storage" extensions from previous builds which seems to be absent from 1.5.6 at least as it is distributed with OS 9.2.2; I had to inject these to get the OrangeLink FW/USB combo to work (after the PCI bridge patch).

 

On a different note, has anyone had issues with the OrangeLink FW/USB combo card (the one pictured earler in this post) and the Crescendo L2/G3 (400 Mhz, 1M cache in my case) ? When enabled with the PCI bridge patch, the system becomes unstable as soon as OpenGL gets initialised; it can be a minute, 10 minutes, 20 minutes but random crashes will invariably occur. Anyone else experiencing this? I have read from the 6400 zone that there can be audio stuttering with the G3 and the tango but couldn't find anything about 3D issues.


 

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