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#1 LittleJackal

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Posted 17 November 2016 - 02:23 AM

Was just gifted an AppleII+, unfortunately it's missing the CPU for unknown reasons. I'm hoping it's not trash and I'm willing to put in a few bucks to experiment. 

 

 

Is there any guide on picking a 6502 replacement for an AppleII+? I picked up a pair of R65C02P4 processors from eBay because they were particularly cheap but I neglected to check whether they'd be suitable drop-ins. Mouser has the WDC W65C02S6TPG-14 for $10 a pop but shipping to Canada was $20 so I opted not to go with that. Not sure I made a good choice.

 

Can I expect my R65C02P4 to work fairly well, or should I be planning on another purchase?

 

Thanks!

 

 
 

 

 



#2 Carboy7

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Posted 17 November 2016 - 03:52 AM

Maybe the 6502 was pinched to be sold...

 

 

I'm not sure where you can get replacements, other then evilBay.


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#3 Gorgonops

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Posted 17 November 2016 - 06:40 AM

I don't know what they'll charge to ship to you but last time I checked Anchor Electronics in Santa Clara had plain old non-CMOS 6502s for about $4 each.

http://anchor-electronics.com

Edit: $4.95 on their current price list. They're Rockwell 6502Bs but one worked fine for me in a Commodore PET so I'm sure an Apple II won't have any problems.

#4 Gorgonops

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Posted 17 November 2016 - 06:49 AM

.. as for the 65C02s you bought... you might have problems. They're (mostly) elecrically compatible but there is some software for the II and II+ that depends on "undocumented instructions" that were replaced with NOPs on the CMOS versions. (This same software breaks on Apple IIcs and IIes for that reason.)

#5 LittleJackal

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Posted 18 November 2016 - 05:26 PM

Great, thanks so much for the info. I'll try to hunt for the real deal. In the meantime I'll at least check to see how I stand with the ones I bought, but it sounds like I can't do much damage popping them in as a temporary measure.



#6 Gorgonops

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Posted 18 November 2016 - 06:21 PM

I did some digging and it sounds like you should be fine from a "it won't damage anything" standpoint, but it might not work. Apparently some people have tried swapping in 65C02s intentionally to get some C-dependent software running on Plus's and they've run into issues they think are memory timing related. (Here's a thread. Apparently some work, some don't, and it may depend on the exact mix of ICs in your particular II. No offense to the almighty Woz but Apple II is frankly a pretty skanky design when it comes to sticking to specs.)



#7 khannonnd

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  • LocationSan Francisco Bay Area

Posted 18 November 2016 - 08:16 PM

Did the 6502B just have a faster clock speed from the original 6502?



#8 Gorgonops

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Posted 18 November 2016 - 08:48 PM

Yes. It was typical back in the day for CPU manufacturers to add letter suffixes to their chips to indicate higher speed versions. In the 6502's case the standard no-letter version is 1mhz, a 6502A is rated for 2Mhz, and a 6502B is good for three.

(If you're looking at Z-80s the no-letter, A, and B ratings correspond with 2.5mhz, 4mhz, and 6mhz respectively, so the letters themselves don't mean anything specific. Oddly enough the next step up with Z-80s is the Z-80H, while some second-sources made 4mhz 6502s with a C suffix... not to be confused with a C in the middle, which means CMOS process and additional instructions.)



#9 Gorgonops

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Posted 19 November 2016 - 12:28 AM

I'm hoping it's not trash

 

Just BTW, if it's broken beyond the missing CPU and you end up feeling like you want to trash it, well... I have no idea what cross-border shipping would cost, but before you throw it out I might be interested in some parts from it.



#10 LittleJackal

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Posted 19 November 2016 - 08:36 PM

Sure, I'll let you know if it turns out to be a bust.

 

Thanks for the advice.



#11 falen5

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Posted 04 January 2017 - 06:09 PM

dont know if this is of any use for people in america with shipping - but i just ordered 2 of these - shipping was 1.20 euro to ireland

 

https://www.aliexpre...11-b76fb299a421

 

 

Someone tell me that these will work in an Apple ][ !!!!


Edited by falen5, 04 January 2017 - 06:09 PM.


#12 Gorgonops

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Posted 04 January 2017 - 06:29 PM

I always have vague worries about the authenticity of ICs from AliExpress, but if it is what it says it is, a UMC UM6502, then it's a second-source copy of the NMOS version of the original 6502 and therefore should be just fine.



#13 falen5

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Posted 05 January 2017 - 12:27 AM

Thanks Gorgonops - will report back when i get them if they work or not






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