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#1 mac-man6

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Posted 25 July 2016 - 10:39 PM

I have found a seller within driving distance selling Emates for $15 USD. He said they were "power tested" but didn't explain what that meant, I asked if anything showed on screen or if there was a chime but I haven't heard back. I assume he's trying to get rid of them but I don't want to buy a lemon even if it is only $15.

 

My new pet-peeve is people selling equipment in "working condition" with a picture where the screen is off.  Your machine looks like a dead machine and there's no way to prove it!

 

Anyway, even though I haven't heard back from my last batch of questions, the seller has a good rating and I assume I can work through most problems. I'm assuming I'll have to remake my own battery pack but I see some of you have already posted instructions on how to do that.

 

My questions for you are,

  • Is this a good price for an Emate?
  • There are several available, would you buy 2-3 just in case, for parts?
  • Where to find newton software?
  • Can I get this working with my Quadra 840AV?

 


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#2 TheWhiteFalcon

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Posted 26 July 2016 - 12:21 AM

$15 is a good price. If he doesn't have the original power adapter (they're a flat black slab, roughly the size of a 2.5" hard drive) you'll need to get one.

Parts machines don't hurt, I would check to make sure none of them have had a hinge fail and ruin the display cable (you'll need to lubricate the hinges regardless).
UNNA is a good place. That being said it'll work fine with OS X and the right adapters, using NCX.

NewtonTalk mailing list will also be helpful.

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#3 Byrd

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Posted 26 July 2016 - 06:07 AM

If you can test the eMate when buying, go for one which has a good bright backlight (suggests minimal use) and ensure the display is 100% functional when the screen is tilted.  Also look on the underside of the eMate, you might luck out and find one with the rare 4MB RAM upgrade, which improves performance.

 

The eMate is certainly an odd looking device and great collectable piece, but slow.  For a more enjoyable Newton OS experience look out for a Newton 2000 or 2100 - both of which are considerably faster.

 

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#4 morgant

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Posted 26 July 2016 - 01:59 PM

All this advice is spot on. The eMate will be easy to get working with your Quadra, since it doesn't require an additional Serial to Interconnect adapter that the MessagePad 2x00 use (they're hard to come by these days), so just need a standard mini DIN-8 serial cable and the Newton Conection Kit software.

As mentioned, the resources for software & support are: UNNA.org, NewtonTalk.net, and WikiWikiNewt.
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#5 mac-man6

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Posted 27 July 2016 - 01:04 AM

Fantastic, I might just take the plunge. I'm not too concerned with speed because I have an iPhone for modern organization, also I have a MessagePad 120 that I don't use much. As long as I can get it in running condition I should be pleased.


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#6 mac-man6

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Posted 30 July 2016 - 05:03 AM

Well I picked up 2 from an electronics liquidator, I chose to pick them up instead of having them shipped. They are education units from a nearby school board. While the eBay posting only showed 5, they have boxes of them. 

 

 I really want to see what these machines are like to use so I cleaned them up and tried a universal adapter only on one unit. I didn't leave it plugged it long, maybe 15 seconds but no response, but no heat or blue smoke either. So I'm left with three options

  1. Get regulated power supply that match 7v/1.2a/center positive and hope it doesn't break anything (please let me know if my specs are off).
  2. Try the battery refurbish and always charge the batteries externally before using the device. I have some 2000-2800mAh AA nimh batteries lying around that I could use.
  3. Do both.
  4. Buy overpriced original power supply.

What would you suggest? 

 

Thoughts so far, 

  • These are much smaller than I was expecting
  • Can I get this on a wired network?
  • Figure out a project to connect eMate with arduino or Raspberry PI. 

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#7 TheWhiteFalcon

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Posted 30 July 2016 - 05:06 AM

When they've been unplugged a while sometimes you need to leave them connected. Reset button might help too.

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#8 ScutBoy

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Posted 30 July 2016 - 04:31 PM

Yes - give it a little time on the charger, and then do a hard reset. Unless there's something seriously wrong, this should get it running on A/C power.



#9 morgant

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Posted 31 July 2016 - 02:16 PM

Go with the original power supply, Newtons require the power to not vary from the spec in the slightest and many have found universal adapters damage them.
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#10 mac-man6

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Posted 02 August 2016 - 02:20 PM

I don't trust this universal adapter, when double checking the polarity I noticed some variations in voltages, sometimes up to 1.5v away from the target voltage. Also the closest marked voltage was 7.5 not 7v like the Netwon adapter. 
 
There's a nice electronics store I can pick up a better power supply or the battery holder to refurbish the battery pack. I'll try looking for both but I think the battery pack might be the safest option right now.
 
As an idea, would it be easier charging the battery pack externally than charging them in the Newton and worrying about the exact specs?

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#11 mac-man6

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Posted 03 August 2016 - 04:10 AM

I finally undid the back plate and removed the battery. I started the teardown to refurbish the battery but just wanted to make sure the eMates worked. The emate pack is 4 AA batteries in series, I had a spare 4 battery holder and wired it up. The first emate worked great and chimed, asked me to calibrate and then provided me with the a limited group of apps. The second one asks me to calibrate the screen by tapping on 3 areas of the the screen, then loops and asks me to calibrate again. I read a comment about 'brain wiping' but I was unable to do this because the calibration wasn't not remembered and I could not tap YES to erase everything.

 

2 immediate goals:

-Escape calibration loop

-Gain greater authority by disabling locked down student account

 

Any one see a Newton behave like this?


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#12 Westinghouse

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Posted 17 August 2016 - 02:10 AM

Out of curiosity, how's the hinge on the eMate with the calibration issues.... Is it kind of loose? A common issue is a spring coming loose in the hinge assembly and puncturing the ribbon cable to the screen.

#13 mac-man6

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Posted 17 August 2016 - 05:04 PM

It's been put on the back burner for now but I was meaning to check. There's clear instructions to follow so it should be doable to check bothin an afternoon.


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#14 Westinghouse

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Posted 19 August 2016 - 03:25 AM

I also picked up 2 of these eMates from these guys (local pickup). When I got them home, one was in great shape, but the touchscreen on the other was totally unresponsive. They were happy to exchange the faulty one.

Perhaps they'll do the same for you? It's still less than a month since you picked yours up, and they have tons of 'em.

Theirs are from a local school board and are in varying states. It's probably a good idea to bring a power adapter or battery to check replacement units in situ. I
should have brought my power adapter on initial pickup.

Edited by Westinghouse, 19 August 2016 - 03:27 AM.


#15 Westinghouse

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Posted 19 August 2016 - 03:36 AM

Also in response to your power adapter voltage spec query, my MP2100 adapter is 7.5v 1.2a and works with the eMate.

#16 TheWhiteFalcon

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Posted 19 August 2016 - 03:52 AM

The 2000/2100/eMate share adapters. The 1xx series uses a different one.

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#17 mac-man6

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Posted 01 September 2016 - 03:16 AM

I also picked up 2 of these eMates from these guys (local pickup). When I got them home, one was in great shape, but the touchscreen on the other was totally unresponsive. They were happy to exchange the faulty one.

Perhaps they'll do the same for you? It's still less than a month since you picked yours up, and they have tons of 'em.

Theirs are from a local school board and are in varying states. It's probably a good idea to bring a power adapter or battery to check replacement units in situ. I
should have brought my power adapter on initial pickup.

I went back and bought two more. Both boot but 1 has an unresponsive screen and I can't tap on the screen to engage a brain wipe on it. I just want to rule out the screen issues aren't software related. The store's hours are a bit restricted so I didn't have time to bring my defective one and power adapter with me, I think I might leave it in the car in the future.

The latest snag I've hit is the replacement battery holder tubes I bought are too long to fit in the compartment. Since the original batteries were low mAH I can use the a 2xAA holder instead of a 4xAA holder. If I put in 2400 mAH batteries I should have a similar amount of capacity as the originals. I think I read somewhere the originals were 1500 mAH, but for some reasons I think they might be 800 mAH (I might be thinking of the MessagePad pack). 

 

After I get that sorted I want to start putting on some software. My MessagePad has a really good solitaire game that's probably included in the software archive on UNNA.


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#18 morgant

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Posted 01 September 2016 - 11:59 AM

By using a 2xAA battery holder instead of a 4xAA holder, you may be able to fit similar capacity in terms of mAH, but the voltage will be too low, so it won't work. I've seen people hack away plastic to fit larger holders or make custom holders that will fit, but your best bet is to re-cell the battery pack (the eMate should be much easier to do than the MessagePad 2x00 as it's just shrink tubed, not encased in ABS plastic).
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#19 TheWhiteFalcon

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Posted 01 September 2016 - 12:22 PM

http://www.pda-soft....ttery_pack.html

Here's a good tutorial on recelling the pack.

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#20 mac-man6

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Posted 01 September 2016 - 03:02 PM

By using a 2xAA battery holder instead of a 4xAA holder, you may be able to fit similar capacity in terms of mAH, but the voltage will be too low, so it won't work. I've seen people hack away plastic to fit larger holders or make custom holders that will fit, but your best bet is to re-cell the battery pack (the eMate should be much easier to do than the MessagePad 2x00 as it's just shrink tubed, not encased in ABS plastic).

Damn, when I was looking I couldn't find a lot of information. I understand series vs parallel but always forget which one is which (if anyone has an analogy or mnemonic I would love to hear it). Another cheat I could do is a 4xAAA battery holder. The AAA are shorter and might fit but I would be compromising mAH, but I think I'm OK with that. Most decent rechargeable AAAs are 800mAH-1000mAH so that would put me around the original capacity.


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