Color Classic VGA Mod. the CORRECT way

[Bunsen]

I'm contemplating the viability of making the sense lines switchable in order to allow use of the stock CC board and lower resolution in a VGA modified CC.

Now, I have heard that a 575 AB can drive the CC monitor at 800x600, so one wonders if that would also be possible with these mods.

[uniserver]

that is sick…  bunsen …  do you remember the details of this,  was that using the same deflection coil?

[Bunsen]

I don't remember much about it.  It was on Applefritter IIRC, and yes, I think there were no alterations to the CRT/yoke/etc assembly.

Topic pinned, btw

[Bunsen]

One thing I think I remember is that they left all the sense ID lines unconnected, and used the "Show all resolutions" setting in the Monitors control panel.

[Macdrone]

Tech if you have a mouser or digikey list for this so I can order and go to town I just recieved a CC I want to do this to. If not Ill wait until i get a day off to look it all up.  Will have to be after STAR WARS tho.

[techknight]

No, I didnt do any cross-referencing to modern part numbers. I just grabbed the values and voltages of everything before shipping the board back out. 

 

The only thing that you have to get right is the two capacitors I listed at the top. They are the box style. Mylar film I believe. Everything else is garden variety. 

Edited December 14, 2015 by techknight

[Bunsen]

OK, finally found the details on the 575 analog board in a CC.
 

This analog board comes from Apple configured at 640x480 66Hz. The "Hi-Res" mod or "VGA Mod" are *not* required, and will probably kill your 575 board. However, the sense line coding issues are still the same ...

I set my monitor sense line to "VGA" which gives me several working resolution choices: 640x480x66Hz, 640x480x60Hz, 800x600x60Hz, and 800x600x56Hz. ... 800x600 is nice and usable, though the dot pitch is a little grainy.

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Note that this mod requires physical modification to both the 575 AB and the CC inner framework to get the board to fit.  Given that, it's probably better to do the "correct" VGA mod on an original CC AB, unless you are absolutely determined to get to 800x600 on the original CRT, or don't care about sawing up the CCs internals (which is required for some motherboard mods anyway).

People who know more about this than me:  what are the chances you could get the same result using a "correctly" modified CC AB, with sense line ID set for VGA?  I seem to recall someone here who did a MiniITX CC did just that.

Other caveats and gotchas at the link:
 

Live: http://www.fenestrated.net/~macman/CC575/

Archive: http://web.archive.org/web/20141113164633/http://www.fenestrated.net/~macman/CC575/

[Bunsen]

There's an older thread on the subject here, with links.

[zwarder]

Great post I picked up an old color classic & was recapping the analog board & cannot however find RL70 resistor RL69 no problem.

Also RF11 is badly fried can someone supply the correct value.

Thanks

[avadondragon]

RF11 is 340Ohm

 

I've been staring at this board for quite a while now and can find RL70 either.

Edited January 21, 2016 by avadondragon

[techknight]

Under the sheild. 

[avadondragon]

While getting prepared to order parts and try out this new VGA mod I discovered the following discrepancies. I think I have a rev D board as it is labeled 820-0360-D in the bottom right corner. I'm not sure I should attempt this now since there could be more differences between my board and the DVT board that weren't noted.

 

RP61 – Already populated with 7.5 K resistor

J104 – Couldn't find - suspect it is populated and has an R-designator?

RL54 – Has 18Ohm resistor in place not 33Ohm

RP8 – Already 33K resistor

RP23 – Empty

RF14 – Populated with 243K resistor

RP6 – Populated with 5.6K resistor

[mraroid]

Any resolution to your problem avadondragon?  I am about to place a order with Mouser...

 

Also, what did we decide re the flyback transformer?  Is the one on a 575 more robust?   Anyone have a source for new flyback transformers for the CC or 575 board?

 

jack

[mraroid]

techknight....
 

I am thinking of doing this mod to a CC analog board.  If I did this mod, I would probably roll in a logic board from a 575. 
 

If I did that, would I still need to do the sensing mod with RezEdit to the 575 logic board?  Or could I just slide the 575 logic board in after this analog board upgrade?
 

One last question...  My CC analog board work fine.  But DL21 and DL22 look dark and old.  I was thinking about replacing them.  However, I can not read the values on the diodes.  Do you know the values?
 

Thanks.
 

jack

[techknight]

Nope. once the analog board is modded, the logic board will see it as a 640x480 system as a true 575 would. 

 

the DL21/22 thing is very common on those boards. 

 

In order to keep the sweep in the 512x384 margins, they had to clamp down one of the V supplies, and thats what those Zener diodes do. 

[mraroid]

Thanks techknight.  My zeners look dark and nasty, but the board works.  I would like to replace them.  But I can not read the values.  Do you know?

 

Thanks

 

jack

[techknight]

I used to, but sadly I lost the reference. I think they are 15V. Easy way is to remove them and look at the part number codes. 

 

But the new ones will just turn brown again. 

[mraroid]

Techknight....

 

Thanks.

 

Looking at your mod more closely, I read:

"DL21 and DL22 get removed and replaced with single 18V Zener at DL21. BZX85C18."
 

I found this at Mouser:

http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Fairchild-Semiconductor/BZX85C18/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtQ8nqTKtFS%2fD313Kx94AdFWcLVZo8Tv20%3d
 

Data sheet here:

http://www.mouser.com/ds/2/149/BZX85C18-888776.pdf
 

That should do the trick?
 

You also posted this:

"The vertical output IC runs a little bit warmer with this mod."
 

I looked at this parts list but could not find the vertical output IC part number:

http://colourclassicfaq.com/tech/ccparts.html
 

So I took my Color Classic apart to check.  The vertical output IC is in the metal cage next to the flyback,  It is the IC to the left of the big gray cable.  It has a small clip (heat sinc?) over it and it is bonded to the metal cage - i guess for better heat dispersal. photo enclosed.
 

Unfortunately, the IC was too old and I could not make out any lettering on it.  Do we know the part number of that IC? 
 

I thought I would look up the equivalent but with a higher temperature rating.
 

I am about to order a bag of parts for this mod from Mouser.  Can you think of anything else I should swap out as log as I am into this?
 

Thanks for posting all of this information.
 

jack

 

 

[uniserver]

i mean you wanna go beef.... heck why not use these bad boys.? 

 

5watt 18v zieners...  

 

http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/ON-Semiconductor/1N5355BRLG/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtQ8nqTKtFS%2fJ7m6e1KBCguUMymncqAaDo%3d

 

http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/ON-Semiconductor/1N5355BG/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtQ8nqTKtFS%2fJ7m6e1KBCguGMUWUaKWhuk%3d

 

http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Central-Semiconductor/CZ5355B-TR/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtQ8nqTKtFS%2fDCq3ePMRaeFFpWyDvxR9sE%3d

[mraroid]

Toss me the red meat!
 

Now I want a vertical output IC on steroids that can take the heat.

 

Woof Woof!

 

jack
 

[techknight]

I forget which IC it is, but I think its a TDA brand IC. You dont really need to change the IC, you just need something to dissipate the heat. However, it wouldn't really be any different if you did the transformer trace cut mod, the IC would see the same load and same specs. 

 

at this point I would leave the vertical IC alone, and just watch it closely afterwords. If the picture starts to shrink and fold over as its running, youll need to heatsink it somehow. or FAN. 

Edited May 2, 2016 by techknight

[mraroid]

OK.  Thanks for the help techknight...

 

jack

[just.in.time]

Has anybody had success with this mod yet?  Does 640*480 resolution still look good on the CC, or is everything a little too small?

[Bunsen]

The two old methods for getting 640x480 on the CC have been around for years (decades?) and most people seem to think they look fine.

[just.in.time]

What are the two older methods? I was only aware of the trace cut mod.