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#1 Trash80toHP_Mini

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 01:07 PM

Radius Rocket Guide/Information Links:

Radius Q&A (to be posted)

http://www.vintagema...radiusmain.html

#2 Trash80toHP_Mini

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 01:15 PM

Rocket Troubleshooting Threads/Links:

Radius Rocket & Quadra 950
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#3 Trash80toHP_Mini

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Posted 21 November 2012 - 05:59 AM

Here's an interesting tidbit or two to get Rocket discussions rolling again!

I've got the January 1992 Rocket Compatibility Guide in my hands and it lists several Macs as "incompatible" at time of publication.

Beside each "Incompatible" designation is the caveat: Not presently supported. Future multiprocessing software planned.

Macintosh IIfx
Macintosh IIsi
Macintosh Quadra 700
Macintosh Quadra 900

Radius Rocket 33 - purchase date unknown (gotta find that invoice!)
RocketWare Version 1.3.2 Floppies Copyright 1991

1992 Rocket 33 Pamphlet
System Requirements
Macintosh II, IIx IIcx or IIci with at least 2MB of RAM and a hard disk drive. System 6.0.7, System 7 or later. At least 4MB of RAM for the Rocket 33 (sold separately), Rocket 33 occupies one NuBus slot.

_________________________________________________

RocketWare Version 1.5 Floppies Copyright 1993
Cover letter, March 30, 1993
RocketWare v.1.5 includes:
- Support for System 7.1
- Support for the Macintosh IIfx
- Support for Finder sounds and HyperCard sounds.
- Implementation of the Quadra Floating Point Library.
- Support for AppleTalk Remote Access
- Support for a number of scanners with file sharing enabled.
- Support for Wacom Tablets. The original serial model as well as the ADB Art Z.
- Support for Microsoft File v.2.0 (supported in 030 cache mode only).
- Support for the Logitech Mouse.
- Support for the Aple OneScanner, Apple Color OneScanner and the HP ScanJet II.
- All new RocketWare Control Panel.

For more inform . . . Read Me . . .

Be advised that the system requirements for RocketWare v.1.5 are different from those of the previous versions. Please consult the included Rocket User's Manual and/or QuickStart card for further details . . .

Radius Rocket Quick Start - copyright 2/93
You will Need
- A Macintosh II, IIx, IIcx, IIci, or IIfx (Quadra and Centris require RocketShare software)
- System 7.0.1 or later
- A minimum of 8MB of memory on your Rocket
- A minimum of 4MB of memory on your Macintosh motherboard

________________________________________________________

I hope this clears up a few things.

I'm hoping I can get the dang IIsi to run RocketShare! }:)

I guess I should append the .TXT from the ReadMe files of both versions.

Now if I could just find that blasted bag full of Rocket Manuals and RocketShare Media/Manuals! ::)

#4 Trash80toHP_Mini

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Posted 17 October 2013 - 09:14 PM

update time:

includes info on Rocket IIfx suport:
RocketWare System Software
Version v.1.5 Supplementary Information
May, 1993


Rocket/NuBus Expansion Chassis

Does anyone know if Second Wave ever got the bus mastering issues worked out?

Radius Rocket in a DuoDock, IT WORKS!!!!

Radius Rocket in the unsupported IIsi ;D

#5 Bunsen

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Posted 18 October 2013 - 09:43 AM

Moved to Peripherals, and Stickied.

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#6 Bunsen

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Posted 18 October 2013 - 09:49 AM

Rocket/NuBus Expansion Chassis

The Second Wave expansion / is -not- compatible with NuBus Bus Master cards, so cards like the Radius Rocket don't work in it


Just FTR, Digidesign list the RR as unsupported in their expansion chassis as well, presumably for the same reason. Their own audio/DSP cards used a proprietary high speed bus on a ribbon connector at the top of each card, so I'm guessing they never needed to implement Nubus mastering.

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#7 Trash80toHP_Mini

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Posted 15 December 2013 - 02:28 PM

From: Radius Rockets quicksilver » 12 May 2007, 17:08

The Unofficial Authoritative Radius Rocket FAQ (TUARRFAQ)

#8 defor

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Posted 03 May 2017 - 11:04 PM

I still need to document the PCI expansions built for Skylab if anyone's still dealing with documentation...

 

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#9 Trash80toHP_Mini

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Posted 04 May 2017 - 03:38 AM

Woohoo, I've never seen those before! Are they in your collection? Looks like a PDS adaptation to some kind of AppleTalk over a local bus type connection to obviate the NuBus bottleneck?


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#10 defor

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Posted 04 May 2017 - 04:28 AM

These are indeed in my collection.

Basically as everyone's well aware, Radius wasn't allowed to sell Skylab as a standalone blade/multi-node system due to Apple's revoking the ROM license.

 

Faced with a failed product and a LOT of invested money, they worked a company to repackage Skylab as an external high-end publishing RIP.

 

The PCI adapters are, as you say, connected to the PDS bus of the rockets, and were used to connect the Fibre card shown to high speed external storage networking.

 

Somewhere I've got a lot of info about this and even was able to track down one of the engineers who worked on the project who gave me some info.

 

The upside of all this is that Skylabs at least WERE out there... Who knows if any are still intact given how big the system was, and how fast they would have been outdated only a few years later.



#11 Unknown_K

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Posted 04 May 2017 - 04:40 AM

Do they still have Apple ROMs on the cards so they would still work in a Mac with the normal drivers?
Favorites: big box Mac IIs, 950, 800's
Wanted: Anything Nubus, Video capture and editing hardware and software for 68k mac. Original software including A/UX.
Looking for 9150, Mac II, Color classic, 840av motherboard, and Nubus cards.

#12 Trash80toHP_Mini

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Posted 04 May 2017 - 04:48 AM

Radius never had a license to use the crown jewels on the Rocket, just to copy them for each session from a host machine into memory for internal use on the card. As I understand it, SkyLab was a headless monster run from an SE/30 terminal from which all the Rockets copied the ROMs. Apple freaked out when they first saw it from all accounts I've read.

 

I never hear they revoked the license, the account I heard was that Apple borked AppleTalk so it couldn't run over NuBus, which put an end to the efficacy of RocketShare.


Edited by Trash80toHP_Mini, 04 May 2017 - 04:49 AM.

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#13 360alaska

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Posted 04 May 2017 - 04:31 PM

Has anyone had any success getting these to run 7.5 or 8?



#14 Trash80toHP_Mini

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Posted 04 May 2017 - 06:30 PM

Nope, that'd be when Apple broke the mold. 7.1P max.


Edited by Trash80toHP_Mini, 04 May 2017 - 06:30 PM.

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#15 defor

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Posted 04 May 2017 - 09:50 PM

Radius never had a license to use the crown jewels on the Rocket, just to copy them for each session from a host machine into memory for internal use on the card. As I understand it, SkyLab was a headless monster run from an SE/30 terminal from which all the Rockets copied the ROMs. Apple freaked out when they first saw it from all accounts I've read.

 

I never hear they revoked the license, the account I heard was that Apple borked AppleTalk so it couldn't run over NuBus, which put an end to the efficacy of RocketShare.

That's odd.. I thought they had their own rom... interesting if that's the case about them copying.. I'll try and dredge up my documents about how the skylab RIP system works.



#16 olePigeon

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Posted 04 May 2017 - 11:22 PM

Is that your Skylab equipment?  Do you own a full box?  I've never seen a fully assembled one, just bits and pieces.



#17 defor

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Posted 05 May 2017 - 01:19 PM

that's all I have, sadly.

snagged it the instant I saw it on ebay a few years back...

 

the rockets are nothing special themselves- just your average stage 2's

:sad:


Edited by defor, 05 May 2017 - 01:19 PM.


#18 Trash80toHP_Mini

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Posted 05 May 2017 - 02:23 PM

I wonder if they switched to UNIX after Apple reamed them. A 40MHz backplane cluster setup must have been a wild thing. The adapter board looks passive, got closeups of both sides of the board? Lots of SMT black magic underneath or just line drivers/buffers?


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