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  1. Hi guys, I just bought a DP 800 G4 and I want to replace the videocard. According to Wikipedia the DP800 can use a Geforce 3 (64MB) I do see the odd comment online about using higher spec videocards though (like an FX5500) I plan to use OS 9.2.2 on this machine and use it primarily for games. Anyone have any experience on maxing out a G4 with 9.2.2? Also, anyone know of any guides to flash a Geforce card to work with Macs? Thanks again ahead of time.
  2. Hi guys, I just bought a Power Mac G4 which according to wikipedia can use the universal install of Mac OS 9.2.2 -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_9#endnote_A1 (I have the PowerMac G4 (quicksilver)) I installed the OS fine but once the installed OS boots it freezes. It seems like this is because the OS is not actually compatible with the hardware. According to the page below even universal install images have a special procedure to install as a universal install (which is totally confusing to me) https://discussions.apple.com/thread/936301?tstart=0 I downloaded the image from here https://www.macintoshrepository.org/126-mac-os-9-2-2-universal-2013-edition- Does anyone have any experience with this sort of thing? If I need a machine specific version does anyone know where I can find a Mac OS 9 image for a Power Mac G4 (Quicksilver) [not the 2002]? Thanks again for your help guys.
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    GPU for Power Mac G4

    Thx for the quick responses guys! Time to lurk on eBay^^
  4. Here's an easy one (for you guys) Does any1 have a digram of the PCI slots and their speeds for the Power Mac G5 (11,2)? I'm trying to make sure I install a new GPU in the fastest PCI slot on the machine. Looking around the internet I find no diagrams with specific enough labels for the slots. Thanks.
  5. Hi guys, Here's a scenario that only the experienced gurus of the Mac Liberation Army can answer. I'm using a Quad core G5 for games that span the old Mac Classic all the way to Mac OS (10.4-ish) I'm stuck between two setups for the G5: 1 - Mac OS 10.4.11 using Classic mode and playing games that only support up to 10.4 2 - Mac OS 10.5.8 supplemented with Mini V Mac and Sheepsaver to play all games up to Mac OS 9.01 and then OS 10.5.8 for the rest I've been told that OS 10.5.8 has some optimizations for the G5 that 10.4.11 doesn't BUT I've also been told that the universal binary for 10.5.8 runs slower than 10.4.11 which is still PPC oriented There are some issues with Classic mode also: can't mount a CD that Classic Mode games can see, for example If any1 has any experience with this that would be great. BTW, the G5 has - Quad Core 11,2 hardware - 16GB of RAM - SATA III SSD (I understand the G5 doesn't have a SATA II interface though) Please let me know what you guys think.
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    Gamer choosing betwen 10.4.11 & 10.5.8

    Just to loop back on the original purpose of the thread. 10.5.8 works MUCH better on this hardware than 10.4.11 (Power Mac G5 11,2) TenFourFox, web pages in general, system prefs, etc. Only thing that hasn't changed is Stuffit's crappy performance. So I guess that answers my question around whether the PPC specific 10.4 is better or worse than the 10.5 universal (but G5 optimized) binary. Know if only Sheepshaver would cooperate... Thanks again guys.
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    Gamer choosing betwen 10.4.11 & 10.5.8

    Thx again for all the help guys. Since I'm still pretty nooby around macs... For the dual booting solution, once I have a drive with two partitions and both versions on them, would I use the Startup Disk utility in System Preferences to switch or is there a boot manager for 10.4 & 10.5?
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    Gamer choosing betwen 10.4.11 & 10.5.8

    any1 know of a way to mount CDs that Classic Mode can see? I tried using CD/DVD Mount from MacGarden and it doesn't work. Makes it difficult to play some of the really epic games in OS 9.
  9. Hi guys, I just installed 16GB of PC2 6400 RAM into a Late 2005 G5 (11,2) The memory is showing as PC2-3200U-288 in the system info. QUESTION 1: Would I benefit from installing actual PC2 4200 RAM into the machine? (Which is the specified maximum speed for the machine) GeekBench2 in 32 bit mode gives a benchmark of 3370 which seems to be OK for this class of machine. QUESTION 2: Would using non ECC vs ECC make a notable difference? Thank you guys.
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    G5 and memory speeds

    @rsolberg I used Xbench 1.3 which is compatible with OS 10.4.11 (just found that utility) The 6400 RAM is giving me faster speeds than the 4200 but I don't know if the difference is big enough. The specific benchmarks are 10% to 15% faster with the 6400 modules which are registering as 3200. So if I had to guess maybe OS 10.4.11 can't enumerate the higher RAM spec but the faster speeds do actually get exploited by the hardware??? Not sure how much of a performance leap one SHOULD be getting from a move from 4200 to 6400 (Also, I only have 512MB of 4200 to benchmark with, I benchmarked the 6400 with 4GB and 16GB) Not sure if the different total memory affects the benchmark scores.
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    G5 and memory speeds

    @ rsolberg The System Profiler shows PC2-4400-444 when I have the original RAM in it. With the new sticks (16GB of PC2 6400) the System Profiler shows PC2-3200-288. The amounts are correct but I'm concerned that the CL timing of 288 on the de-clocked 6400 is going to make things slower than the 444 timing on the PC2 4200 RAM. Subjectively I feel like things are slower with the 6400 but the G5 is more than a decade old so doing things like running all the ads on a web page are generally slow. Maybe everything is CPU limited at this point and the CAS Latency won't make a difference? I'm not sure. I'm thinking about buying 16GB of ECC PC2-4200 if the CL is going to make a differences. Otherwise I guess I should just live with it (?) Maybe... I'm using GeekBench2 to test memory speed but the info is very limited. Any recommendations on a good memory benchmarking program for OS 10.4.11?
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    G5 and memory speeds

    OK, thanks for the reply guys. So faster clearly won't happen but with PC2 6400 being clocked down to 3200 (and @ 288 CLs) by the G5 will that make things slower than PC2 4200? (which is 444 CLs)
  13. Hi guys, I'm trying to buy an Nvidia Quadro FX 4500 for my Power Mac G5. I notice on eBay there are a bunch of "mac" Quadros that don't have RAM on both sides as prescribed by this guide. http://g5center.net/index.php?post=the-fx4500--your-g5 Anyone have any experience flashing the firmware of a quadro that DOESN'T have RAM on both sides? Will the quadro firmware from the page below work for quadros that don't have double sided RAM? http://themacelite.wikidot.com/wikidownloads2 The quadros not labeled with 'mac' seem to be a lot cheaper.
  14. Hi guys, With your help I got the G5 (hardware 11,2) running Classic Mode. BadGoldEagle posted a link to a Classic Mode tutorial http://web.archive.org/web/20121026093607/http://flylib.com/books/en/4.299.1.61/1/ but the Classic mode on my G5 seems to behave differently A couple of things: 1 - I can't seem to get a version of Stuffit to install in the Classic environment. Stuffit 651 installs but it's in the OSX environment. Stuffit 703 starts the install but then it states that it cannot install in the OSX environment. I had thought that with Classic Mode installed, if a program can't run in OSX it runs it in Classic (9.2.2 in my case) 2 - I don't know how to mount a DSK file in the 9.2.2 classic environment. The stuff on the web seems to all talk about how to mount it in OS 10.x 3 - Sometimes when I start Classic Mode it starts a utility that asks me to specify a disk to use. I'm not sure what to do when that happens. I thought Classic mode would just see the files I see in OSX. Sorry for all the noob questions. I'm totally lost :0
  15. Hi guys, I'm trying to install Mac OS 10.4 on a Power Mac G5 (11,2) The install disc I'm using is a 10.4 Install Disk with Xcode 2 that I bought from eBay. When I try to boot from the DVD I get a kernel panic. The kernel version is Darwin 8.0.0 I then tried to boot into Safe Mode where the topline error is "Unable to find driver for this platform: PowerMac11,2" Looking further on eBay it appears that nobody differentiates versions of Mac OS that are compatible with the 11.2 hardware revision for the G5. When I try to boot into single user mode I get a kernel panic again. Can anyone let me know what I can do? Is there a special version of 10.4 I can use for a G5 with 11,2 hardware? Two incidental things: 1 - I'm using a 256GB SSD as the HDD, it is unformatted. I've tried both Bay A and B. 2 - I'm using a non-Apple USB mouse, not sure if this has anything to do with this. BTW, I'm trying to do this so that I can use Classic Mode to play games on this thing. Hope you guys can help this poor Mac-noob!
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    Power Mac G5 & OS 10.4

    Thx again for the advice on using Classic. Any chance you know about any tutorials on this? The classic icon shows up in preferences but using that environment is a little confusing for me
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    Power Mac G5 & OS 10.4

    Thx for the info BadGoldEagle!! I'm writing this on a 10.4.11 G5 and it was super easy! I love how macs do everything for you ^^ I'm now trying to get classic mode to run on this thing now
  18. I just bought a powerMac G5 with the Quad core 2.5GHz CPUs This machine is a super find (I plan on maxing out the memory and putting in an SSD) I dreamt about owning this machine when it was out in 2005 and now 10+ years later I have one! I was wondering if there any opinions out there about which OS does better on it 1) OS 10.4 2) OS 10.5 I've heard that OS 10.5 with the whole universal code thing slows things down. Also, I don't know if Safari in 10.4 will be so outdated that I won't be able to cruise the web at all. I'm also hoping to get a decent MacOS 9.2.2 set-up on it (SheepShaver? natively?) Any other tips on running either OS 10.4 or 10.5 would be appreciated. Thank you ahead of time for your wisdom guys
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    OS for Power Mac G5 -- 10.4 or 10.5?

    OK, great feedback guys. Two more questions Anyone have experience with the coolant leaks on the quad cores? I know there's a guide out there but I wanted to get a sense of how prevalent this would be Also, is the PC4200 memory the fastest that the PowerMac 11,2 can use> Could I use the next step up ? (PC5300) The Crucial.com memory configurator is saying that the Power Mac G5 could be fitted with all kinds of crazy memory speeds, not sure if I can believe them...
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    Hardware Mac OS 9 and games

    O_O Thank you Gorgonops! That made my week! The Aleph One ports are awesome and it's the WHOLE trilogy! I may wind playing through these and then going through the Halo games just for nostalgia....
  21. Hi guys, So there are some games that I want to run from MacIntosh Garden which need Mac OS 9. (Marathon in particular, anything in color) I've been looking around to see what my options are. There are a few but being so new to Mac I can't figure out which is the best one. So I need your help guys. Any feedback would be appreciated. Here are the options that I can see: 1 - Run SheepShaver on my iBook G4 to get Mac OS 9 going. I'm not sure how well the games will run considering the iBook specs 2 - Run Mac OS natively(?) on this iBook G4 ( not sure if this is even possible with my hardware) 3 - Buy a PowerMac G4 and run MacOS 9 natively. I like this solution but you need a treasure map to navigate the compatibility landmines of G4 hardware and Mac OS 9 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mac_OS_9 4 - Buy a modern Mac to run SheepShaver upon. This is a very expensive solution I'm sure there are options I haven't thought of and also nuances to these options that I might not understand at this time. Any help on this topic is appreciated.
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    Why iBook G4 A1133 left palm is so hot!

    I just recently replaced my original HDD in my iBook G4 with an SSD. It was certainly difficult but worth it. A couple of suggestions: For the teardown: - I put all the screws in their rough position on the bottom shell once I got that off. It makes a nice little tray... I placed the screws in a position on the tray corresponding with where they came from on the laptop. Then I put a sheet of the saran wrap press n' seal (not the regular cellophane) to keep the screws there while I messed around with the laptop. The iFixit walkthrough is very valuable too. The SSD - Speed difference is pretty notable. I used a 120GB SATA III SSD with a PATA to SATA adapter. Had to remove the SSD case and just use the SSD internals (which were tiny) I placed padded tape on the SSD internals to prevent shorts with the other metal parts. Isolating your spinning HDD as the cause of heat and using a USB HDD - Try booting your machine with the OS install disc (if you have one). In theory the internal HDD shouldn't be working much at all in this scenario. - ALSO in this way you can see your attached USB HDD without resorting to the whole open firmware route. (which was very painful) If you do it this way you can use Disk Utility to do everything and it's really REALLY simple. - If you do resort to open firmware here's one tip. Whatever bootloader you're using (yaboot for PPC I believe) You have to specify the full path to it. So the command would be something like: "boot usb1/disk@1:3,\install\yaboot" I'm using the iBook G4 I took apart to write this! Hope it helps!
  23. So I finally resolved this. I did what jongleur suggested. (Mostly, I just used Disk Utility to Restore the data from the original to the newly formatted internal drive) I had the original HDD with the original data and I found an enclosure that I could use with it (Needed a SATA to PATA adapter though) Using Disk Utility was about the easiest thing I could have done. That's probably why it's abbreviated "DU"... My big learning is to clone drives BEFORE ripping it out of the iBook. Being a Windows person my instincts were definitely all wrong. I still can't believe how simple it was with Disk utility...
  24. Hi guys, So the saga continues... Put together the iBook G4 with the SSD in place. Boots up great and the machine is acceptably fast now (also installed more memory) However, when I duplicated the previous drive onto the SSD (I used DD on Ubuntu), it turns out it didn't do that magic that allows Mac OS 10.5.8 to resize the partition on the now larger drive. The error I get is -- "MediaKit reports partition (map) too small" I've tried two things so far: - using Gparted live CD (doesn't work on PowerPC macs) - deleting Bootcache and other files -- deleting the files as recommended in the link didn't go exactly to plan, I couldn't find Bootcache.data Also the file .volinfodatabase wasn't exactly the same. it was called volinfo.database I'm just wondering if those instructions are for Intel based macs based on the date. http://superuser.com/questions/233531/how-can-i-resolve-the-error-mediakit-reports-partition-map-too-small "Why not just boot into single user mode? Hold down command+s on boot. Performcheck disk and then mount the drive. Go to /Library/Caches and /System/Library/Caches and remove everything in those folders. Then go to /private/var/db and remove BootCache.data, BootCache.playlist and .volinfodatabase. Reboot and use Disk Utility again. Just did this here and it worked moving from a 120GB SSD to a 250GB SSD. Was getting the dreaded medikit error too small or whatever. You might just have to remove the .volinfodatabase. Try that first. If that doesn't work try the .volinfodatabase again and the BootCache files. If that doesn't work try what I tried." If anyone knows how to resolve this on OS 10.5.8 I would appreciate it.
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