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  1. Cory5412

    Minimum Compact Mac Value?

    To add, for myself: The performance the SE/30 (and to some extent, the Classic II) adds over the SE and SEfdhd, and the types of upgrades people put in it, make relatively little sense to me, personally, because using that performance for anything meaningful is difficult on the built in 512x342 display. The, uh, magic, for lack of a better way to put it of having something in the original/compact/classic form factor is sort of lost if you have to use an external display along with it for it to make sense as a computer. (And: I'm going to argue that this is meaningfully different from, say, "needing" to use second and third displays with modern flat-panel iMacs.) The SE/30 should be a fine system 7 performer without doing too many upgrades (040, color, whatever unholy combinations are possible or people want to be possible) but the value of, say, system 7 (or even 6+multifinder) and multitasking is.... questionable. Not "not there", but questionable, again, because of the display. (Come to think of it: I actually have an SE/30, which needs some bits repaired, I should see about getting that done.) I have a Plus with 4 megs of RAM, and it's a nice configuration, but the SEfdhd, Classic, or Classic II strikes me as a little more compatible with everything else I have and run. Anyway, TL;DR - the SE/30 costs a lot because it's super upgradeable, but the upgrades don't make sense to me. In general, a stock real Quadra or 040 LC will outperform an SE/30 and you can use a bigger color monitor on a real Quadra, plus most Quadras have Ethernet onboard. Sure, I didn't say it was a reasonable alternate universe, or even that I'd have shipped the Mac in 1984 in that case.
  2. Q700 board will need you to open up some new spaces on the back of the case to accommodate for some new ports and perhaps some things that changed places. I would only do it if you can find a Q700 (or 650) board for a lot less than an entire Quadra or Performa as discussed the other day would cost, especially given that you're already planning on needing to replace or repair the diskette drive.
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    1.5 GHz G4 Mac Mini and OS9

    My apologies, my wording sounded more harsh than I meant it to be. I think I was originally working toward "800MHz is really meaningful" but when I calculatored it out it ended up being less. 1.25 to 1.42 or 1.5 is "meaningful" but 1.42 to 1.5 isn't very. If i had to guess, it was a few bucks cheaper for Apple to use the same part an existing PowerBook or iBook had been using, after the other 1.42GHz G4s had been discontinued. That's probably a more meaningful upgrade than the CPU if the original 1.42 config shipped with a 4200RPM drive.
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    1.5 GHz G4 Mac Mini and OS9

    Idly, someone from #68kMLA did this and they got great MacBench results, so although there are some quality of life things that aren't so hot, if you need raw performance for, say, rendering something in a video/compositing/3d app, or something graphical that doesn't necessarily involve sound, or you have good control of the sound in some other way, as indicated above. @jimjimx Did you overclock from 1.25 or 1.42? Those are 250 and 80MHz respectively. It's arguable whether or not it's meaningful. Especially when, as an OS 9 machine, any G3 is "fine". Re 1GB of RAM: That's normal for OS 9. I don't think Apple ever imagined a use case for it, and to be honest, I think they're correct: there's no real use case for over around 256-512 or so megs of ram on Mac OS 9 where, from a technical perspective, you aren't meaningfully better off moving to Mac OS X. Having that much won't really hurt anything, I've got a couple OS9 machines with a full gig and they run fine, even though I never need that much, by a long shot. Overall, a Mac mini would be a good OS9 machine, but in general, if you don't need a powerhouse for period-correct RAW photo batch processing or video work, a Power Macintosh will run '90s software "fine", and most Power Macintoshes (save the first generation, if I remember correctly) aren't yet at the point of needing capacitor work. That said: A mini is also smaller than most of the other machines, save PowerBooks, which can be troublesome for different reasons.
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    Minimum Compact Mac Value?

    I agree that the Mac Plus is probably the earliest "usable" Mac. Less in the sense that the 128k and 512k were totally unusable and more that their hardware limitations cause software that runs on them to have relatively severe restrictions, and they're even more than the Plus/SE/Classic are, explicitly single-tasking machines. In an alternate universe, I'd have started the Mac line with either the Plus or SE, and perhaps gain something like the Apple II smartport for slightly more generic floppy diskette operation. (Although notably even with that the IIgs requires a dedicated controller card to use a high density diskette drive.)
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    Minimum Compact Mac Value?

    We're coming out the other end of the bathtub curve on the value of vintage Apple/Mac stuff in general. Even machines that were common as dirt a few years ago are now commanding relatively high prices. For better or worse - increasing interest and decreasing supplies of machines. Especially since not a lot of people were engaged, say, ten years ago with storing large quantities of machines to hold onto and then pass along inexpensively. Any place that still had a pile of 68k Macs in the early 2000s probably cleared most of them out in the mid-2000s to make way for faster, better hardware that people would be more interested in using. Lots of us had things get lost or lost access to storage locations or had to recycle or give away things over the past ~20-ish years, too. Those are some of the natural causes. I think that there's almost certainly some other factors. Interest in "upgrades" appears to just be higher than in faster machines (i.e. upgrading an SE/30 rather than using an '040 system from the outset, same thing with "G3-upgraded PPC Mac" vs. just buying a G3, which are still inexpensive. I also think that in general, "working" machines are going to fetch a higher price than non-working ones, machines with more completeness (kb/mouse, often even if they don't really match, some software, accessories) are going to get a higher price, and systems that are already packed in with things like FloppyEmu and SCSI2SD will get more. Even though most of us here on this site might not be in this market, I believe there's generally a market for people who have nostalgia and just want to go on eBay and pick up a complete system (or complete up to the point of a VGA cable to plug into a TV or LCD monitor) and start playing. (This also tracks with my general observation over the past ~10-15 years that the things most people want to do on 68k Macs is games, simple productivity applications, and HyperCard.)
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    Video Adapter Docs Scan Dump

    Uploading the two previously linked Belkin PDFs (which still work) as local-to-the-forum attachments to this post, just in case. f3h1381revised.pdf mac-vga_9_dipswitches.pdf
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    Modern printer on old Mac?

    It's more likely that the Brother in question supports PostScript emulation. Several of them did at least through just around a decade ago. I haven't checked on any newer models. Classic Mac OS does not come with PCL. Anyway, as has been mentioned, laser printers are the way to go to get this. Inkjets rarely support postscript and even more rarely still have AppleTalk built in, which laser printers often still had as late as 2006 or so. I have a Xerox Phaser 6120EN that I used to use with some OS 9 machines, for example.
  9. What OS are you running on your Mac TV? Those machines can have Ethernet added, and if you're running 7.5.5 with OpenTransport and all the OT/AppleShare updates installed, you can connect to vtools directly. If you're running 7.1, you'll want to either use floppy or other removable media to do the transfers, or boot into OS 9, which can talk localtalk directly to system 7.1 [with whatever enablers], which is what the Mac TV shipped with, and which might be best to use, because the Mac TV is limited in how much RAM it can use. (Actually come to think of it, 7.1+MacTCP or the versions of OpenTransport it supports and an FTP client should also be able to connect to VTools or your newer Mac or other machine, but, over FTP.)
  10. I bought a pack of rubber feet at Target (a store that sells a bunch of different stuff here n the US) that will probably work for this. It was in with some of the home decoration stuff, like, picture frames and little side tables. I believe 3M made the pack, but I put it somewhere and I'd have to go look. They won't be the same shape or size, but that should be fine. If you had a block of rubber, you could measure the footprint of the spot where the feet came from and then cut your own. Because these feet generally aren't visible, it shouldn't really matter what color or thickness you use, other than "enough to clear the fascia and internal frame plastics" -- which is the main reason to bother with the feet on these machines at all. The generic term for these appears to be rubber or silicone feet or bumper pads. There are loads of different ones on Amazon. If you bought a big-ish pack of generic square ones, you could put two in each foot spot (I believe there are five) on your G3 or other 7x00 desktop. (this should include the 7100 and 650, as well.) EDIT: I'm pretty sure Scotch is the brand from the pack I bought. On their web site, it's under "Surface protection", more here: https://www.scotchbrand.com/3M/en_US/scotch-brand/products/catalog/~/Scotch-Products/Surface-Protection/?N=4335+8733245+3294529207+3294857497&rt=r3 I'm going to use them as replacement feet for things like old external hard disks whose feet have disappeared over the years.
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    Netatalk SD Card Image?

    Worth looking at A2Server - it's designed for explicitly this task, just, with AppleTalk-equipped Apple IIe/c and IIgs computers in mind. What are you looking to do in particular? VTools may be another option if you have ethernet and 7.5+ with all the relevant opentransport and appleshare updates. Which version, of both Ubuntu/Lubuntu and Netatalk? Around ten years ago, you could "apt-get install netatalk" on a debian system and it would work pretty much out of the box, but I don't believe Netatalk 3 supports all the same stuff Netatalk 2 did.
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    How do I set up networking in Mac OS 8.5?

    Apologies if this was already covered: In the TCP/IP control apnel, you are currently using PPP. Is there any other option there? You'll be looking, ideally, for Ethernet, or perhaps the name of a particular Ethernet driver. PPP, in that context typically refers to dial-up Internet.
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    Full 68040 for Quadra 605

    Thought: How much space is between the case and the fan? Could you add a rubber band or, like, some blue painter tape to close the gap a little bit? A newer, quieter fan also couldn't hurt.
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    RaSCSI Development Thread

    To my knowledge: no. To do what @johnklos said, you'd need to be running Basilisk II or another emulator that can do this on a machine with a PCI slot available, such as an x86 based PC with PCI or PCI-X slots. (PCI-X slots work with just-PCI devices.) RaSCSI might be adaptable to this purpose, but you'd likely have to do the dev work or make a feature request with the project to make it happen. I don't know what load RaSCSI places on the Pi, but my understanding is that doing this exceeds the compute power the Pi has. Reversing the emulation and adding an entire Mac emulation to it might be too much. I don't know how the Pi4 will change that, however.
  15. Video card: It depends what you want to do. The stock video card should be a Rage128, which is "fine". OS 9 will be OK on that card. Mac OS X really does want newer GPUs, especially if you go all the way forward to 10.4 or 10.5. OS versions that old do not support TRIM. At all. I believe that was enabled years and years later. 10.10.4/10.11 was when it became possible to use trim on third party SSDs at all. It looks like TRIM was first added in 10.7 "Lion" in 2011. If your SSD is midrange or better, it might garbage collect or TRIM itself at intervals. It's better if you're relying on this that you don't fill the SSD very aggressively, so if you're planning on, like, putting a giant iTunes library on your boot volume, buy a bigger SSD to do it. Newer SSDs on a SATA card or on an IDE to SATA adapter will generally do better, and another thing you may do or may need to do (I've seen some odd behavior described) is set your partition to be a little bit smaller than the stated capacity of the SSD. I have a friend who had to format their 128GB SSD at around 110GB for OS 9 to play with it nicely, for example.
  16. With all that said, I'm curious to see whether you can distill what you think the problem is. And, don't just list a bunch of 75Hz video modes, because LCD monitors do fine at 75Hz, they do fine with 832x624 and 1152x870, and most of the Macs that can output those resolutions can go down to 60Hz anyway. Is there a particular video card that can't? Why can't that video card just be replaced with one that can? (You linked to the 24AC video card above, which is a multiscan video card and will be able to do the 60Hz output version of every resolution it can do, just as a Quadra or Power Mac's onboard video can.) As the CRTs all die out, I think that it's just going to be a reality that we aren't going to get 640x870 portrait display mode. Possibly, if so, you've managed to say in a single sentence what I haven't been able to extract out of five or six posts. If this is true, then my suggestion here is that using those video cards is likely going to have to die along with those displays. It seems to me like the better solution in this scenario is to replace those video cards with something a little more generic, that was itself multisync, such as the cited 24AC video card, or the hypothetical NuBus HDMI output video card that has been discussed. Both are also solutions for systems like the IIci (and IIsi?) that didn't originally allow for a "VGA" mode -- but, again, I'm reasonably sure most midrange business LCDs will accept that signal with no trouble. I should dig out my IIsi and give it a whirl with my P1914S and my U1504FP. In the case of the IIci/IIsi in particular, where 640x480 is very close to the to the top capability of the video system, the OSSC seems relevant, especially if someone has a display that for some reason doesn't accept 67Hz input. My question is, what's cheaper: 135 Euro (excl. VAT) for the OSSC or $120USD for a brand new display that will work. (At worst, there's the 'Elite' version for $160, which also includes a USB hub and DVI and DisplayPort connectivity, but I suspect the basic version will work.) /// Of course, we could also do what the video game people are doing and maintain+repair the CRTs we have, but I know that shipping CRTs around and finding someone willing to repair them and then either funding it well enough that that person can do it professionally or not burning them out by surrounding them with people's semi-broken CRTs while they work a regular job is going to be tough to do.
  17. They're still being made TODAY, except, now, with LEDs. For example: https://store.hp.com/us/en/pdp/hp-prodisplay-p17a-17-inch-5:4-led-backlit-monitor-(energy-star) (disclaimer: I haven't used this particular display personally, I have a Dell 19-incher from 2014, with most of the same feature-set) The supply of vintage Macs will dry up before the supply of these displays does. Like I said, the majority of vintage Macs (even the majority of modular 68k Macs) will output in a format even relatively cheap TVs can handle. The two modular Macs that are currently in a questionable state on this front can have a nubus display adapter installed. This is largely a solved problem.
  18. I'm going to say it again. The monitors I'm talking about, midrange business LCD monitors from, if not all the way back to 1998, at least the early 2000s, up through at least 2017, support 75Hz input and display it well. I don't think that there's a need for what you're describing. You're making the already-not-always-clear concept of "VGA adapter" way more complicated than it has to be. The OSSC that @NJRoadfan mentioned already exists for gaming and certain 8-bit/non-mac vintage scenarios, but the Mac doesn't need that kind of treatment.
  19. The UltraSharp series still exists, but it has moved upmarket slightly. Dell's been using it to denote really good displays, and most of the functionality that makes, say, an UltraSharp 170xFP or 190xFP desirable is now in the P series, such as my P1914s. For example, mine works fine on my Sun SparcStation 10 using a common adapter, at that machine's default output resolution and sync, which is 1152x900@76Hz. It wasn't particularly expensive, and it's quite a nice display: IPS, VGA, DVI, DisplayPort inputs, and a USB hub. Even the old 15" ultrasharps can do this, just, at up to 1024x768, which is suitable for Macs up through the PCI PowerMacs, really, so it's worth holding onto small displays, too. I bought a display off the shelf at Staples back in 2008 to do the same thing, but with a slightly newer Sun system, and still have that display today (UltraSharp 1908WFP). Yes, the new high-frequency displays are primarily for gaming. That was a distraction -- forget I said it. (Especially since there's some neat tech there that's really above my head. They're extremely multi-sync. All "modern" LCDs (anything after the late '90s) are. 60Hz happened to be a convenient standardization point because it was relatively easy for computers to do at that time, and because the way LCDs work means that there's no penalty to the way static images look if you refresh the image slowly. Some larger panels take advantage of this by running at a lower resolution. For example, in situations where you can't feed a 4k display at 60Hz over a particular type of cable, they'll often run at 30Hz, which is suitable for office applications, but not really for video or games. (I believe this is no longer common, but there was an extremely hot couple months where budget 4k displays that can do 30Hz 4k or 60Hz 1080p existed. Higher refresh rates are still largely limited to 1920x1080 or 2560x1440 displays, mostly for graphics horsepower and displayport and HDMI bandwidth/throughput reasons -- I say give it two graphics cards generations (~12-18 months, depending) before we see 2160p100 or 2160p120 gaming. Anyway: my point is that reasonable midrange LCDs have supported what it looks like you want to do for round-about 20 years now. There's a huge stock of LCDs that work well with vintage Macs and my impression here is that it's relatively uncommon for people to use exclusively era-appropriate CRTs. There are pictures of old Macs connected to these kinds of LCDs and even things like TVs all over.
  20. That's not unreasonable behavior several years after Intel GPUs finally dropped onboard VGA. The real goldmine is gong to be in 1024x768 and 1280x1024 business displays manufactured between 1998 and 2018-ish.
  21. That's fair, and my expertise basically starts in 1990. Although, I have been told some of the higher end video cards (like, color ones that work on multiple monitors) from the II-IIx/IIcx era do work with Apple's own multiple scan displays, so I don't see why those wouldn't work with a modern LCD, even if you do need to trick it into the right resolution by using a fixed-mode adapter. Even on a modern computer, you can set the refresh output to 75Hz when you're using an LCD and it'll work fine. It's not "the correct refresh rate", but it will work. The other thing that's increasing in popularity in consumer displays is above-60Hz refresh rates, up to ~144. Any of these displays should have no trouble syncing at 75, and 67 will almost certainly work. Granted, analog input on its own is becoming less common on brand new displays. But, again, there is a HUGE stock of reasonable office computer monitors that have lots of known compatibility with not only vintage Macs but things like SGIs and Suns. The best thing any of us who has a little bit of room in our homes right now can do for the long-term future of machines like "every Mac between the Quadra 650 to the Beige G3, and relevant same-period video cards" is probably to hold onto a couple more LCDs than we're actually using.
  22. My point was that LCDs such as the plentiful Dell UltraSharp series are likely to be able to accept these different resolutions. Anything multisync-era (incl. the 24ac, most Quadras after the 700/900, the 24ac, all PowerPC Macs) are new enough that it should have no problem syncing down to 60Hz for any resolution they support, and in my experience using an ultrasharp with Sun equipment, they have no problems with non-native resolutions. (1152x900 is the Sun default resolution, for example.) Those MultiSync presenting machines and cards don't even need DIP switch adapters, a DB15-HD15 cable (such as the one used on the multiple scan 1705) or a regular VGA hd15 cable and a DB15 to HD15 adapter will work fine. I am using a Dell P1914, but this would apply to any UltraSharp 170xFP or 190xFP (and the newer WFP variations.) Monitors matching this general description are still being made by Dell and HP at the very least. For example, the updated version of the display I use https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/dell-19-monitor-p1917s/apd/210-aiij/monitors-monitor-accessories I don't think this is anywhere near as big a problem as you think it is. At absolute worst, all we have to do is be careful not to trash the entire stock of business midrange LCD computer monitors made in the past twenty years, and we'll be fine.
  23. It should work, but if your blue-and-white won't run OS9 for some reason, but it will run OS X, I suspect something else weird is going on. What happens when you try to boot 9.2.2? (Or, if you have another thread on that issue, please link to it, so we don't spread the effort across two threads.)
  24. To my knowledge, the only two modular Macs that can't output 60Hz VGA are the IIci and the IIsi, aside from, say, ultra-budget Mac II-era video cards. If it's not unreasonably difficult to find an LCD monitor that will just accept 67Hz, I don't see why you couldn't just use one of the normal fixed-mode adapters with the knob or switches to configure 640x480 and then be off. There is even a new run of them being sold on eBay by at least an australian seller. You probably could build, or find an off-the-shelf scan converter if your only option was some PC monitor from 1987 that can only accept, strictly, 640x480@60, but there's bound to be a better solution.
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    Quicktake 150 software

    It looks like you've got it working now, yay! Photoflash isn't strictly speaking needed for the quicktakes, because with that extension you can copy images directly from the camera and use another tool for viewing and organizing. I need to look at my 180, I don't recall whether or not I was using virtual memory, but I do have 14MB of memory installed in it. I did get the camera working on my 1400c/166 with 7.6.1, but I don't remember whether I've gotten it running on anything newer.
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