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  1. With all that said, I'm curious to see whether you can distill what you think the problem is. And, don't just list a bunch of 75Hz video modes, because LCD monitors do fine at 75Hz, they do fine with 832x624 and 1152x870, and most of the Macs that can output those resolutions can go down to 60Hz anyway. Is there a particular video card that can't? Why can't that video card just be replaced with one that can? (You linked to the 24AC video card above, which is a multiscan video card and will be able to do the 60Hz output version of every resolution it can do, just as a Quadra or Power Mac's onboard video can.) As the CRTs all die out, I think that it's just going to be a reality that we aren't going to get 640x870 portrait display mode. Possibly, if so, you've managed to say in a single sentence what I haven't been able to extract out of five or six posts. If this is true, then my suggestion here is that using those video cards is likely going to have to die along with those displays. It seems to me like the better solution in this scenario is to replace those video cards with something a little more generic, that was itself multisync, such as the cited 24AC video card, or the hypothetical NuBus HDMI output video card that has been discussed. Both are also solutions for systems like the IIci (and IIsi?) that didn't originally allow for a "VGA" mode -- but, again, I'm reasonably sure most midrange business LCDs will accept that signal with no trouble. I should dig out my IIsi and give it a whirl with my P1914S and my U1504FP. In the case of the IIci/IIsi in particular, where 640x480 is very close to the to the top capability of the video system, the OSSC seems relevant, especially if someone has a display that for some reason doesn't accept 67Hz input. My question is, what's cheaper: 135 Euro (excl. VAT) for the OSSC or $120USD for a brand new display that will work. (At worst, there's the 'Elite' version for $160, which also includes a USB hub and DVI and DisplayPort connectivity, but I suspect the basic version will work.) /// Of course, we could also do what the video game people are doing and maintain+repair the CRTs we have, but I know that shipping CRTs around and finding someone willing to repair them and then either funding it well enough that that person can do it professionally or not burning them out by surrounding them with people's semi-broken CRTs while they work a regular job is going to be tough to do.
  2. They're still being made TODAY, except, now, with LEDs. For example: https://store.hp.com/us/en/pdp/hp-prodisplay-p17a-17-inch-5:4-led-backlit-monitor-(energy-star) (disclaimer: I haven't used this particular display personally, I have a Dell 19-incher from 2014, with most of the same feature-set) The supply of vintage Macs will dry up before the supply of these displays does. Like I said, the majority of vintage Macs (even the majority of modular 68k Macs) will output in a format even relatively cheap TVs can handle. The two modular Macs that are currently in a questionable state on this front can have a nubus display adapter installed. This is largely a solved problem.
  3. I'm going to say it again. The monitors I'm talking about, midrange business LCD monitors from, if not all the way back to 1998, at least the early 2000s, up through at least 2017, support 75Hz input and display it well. I don't think that there's a need for what you're describing. You're making the already-not-always-clear concept of "VGA adapter" way more complicated than it has to be. The OSSC that @NJRoadfan mentioned already exists for gaming and certain 8-bit/non-mac vintage scenarios, but the Mac doesn't need that kind of treatment.
  4. The UltraSharp series still exists, but it has moved upmarket slightly. Dell's been using it to denote really good displays, and most of the functionality that makes, say, an UltraSharp 170xFP or 190xFP desirable is now in the P series, such as my P1914s. For example, mine works fine on my Sun SparcStation 10 using a common adapter, at that machine's default output resolution and sync, which is 1152x900@76Hz. It wasn't particularly expensive, and it's quite a nice display: IPS, VGA, DVI, DisplayPort inputs, and a USB hub. Even the old 15" ultrasharps can do this, just, at up to 1024x768, which is suitable for Macs up through the PCI PowerMacs, really, so it's worth holding onto small displays, too. I bought a display off the shelf at Staples back in 2008 to do the same thing, but with a slightly newer Sun system, and still have that display today (UltraSharp 1908WFP). Yes, the new high-frequency displays are primarily for gaming. That was a distraction -- forget I said it. (Especially since there's some neat tech there that's really above my head. They're extremely multi-sync. All "modern" LCDs (anything after the late '90s) are. 60Hz happened to be a convenient standardization point because it was relatively easy for computers to do at that time, and because the way LCDs work means that there's no penalty to the way static images look if you refresh the image slowly. Some larger panels take advantage of this by running at a lower resolution. For example, in situations where you can't feed a 4k display at 60Hz over a particular type of cable, they'll often run at 30Hz, which is suitable for office applications, but not really for video or games. (I believe this is no longer common, but there was an extremely hot couple months where budget 4k displays that can do 30Hz 4k or 60Hz 1080p existed. Higher refresh rates are still largely limited to 1920x1080 or 2560x1440 displays, mostly for graphics horsepower and displayport and HDMI bandwidth/throughput reasons -- I say give it two graphics cards generations (~12-18 months, depending) before we see 2160p100 or 2160p120 gaming. Anyway: my point is that reasonable midrange LCDs have supported what it looks like you want to do for round-about 20 years now. There's a huge stock of LCDs that work well with vintage Macs and my impression here is that it's relatively uncommon for people to use exclusively era-appropriate CRTs. There are pictures of old Macs connected to these kinds of LCDs and even things like TVs all over.
  5. That's not unreasonable behavior several years after Intel GPUs finally dropped onboard VGA. The real goldmine is gong to be in 1024x768 and 1280x1024 business displays manufactured between 1998 and 2018-ish.
  6. That's fair, and my expertise basically starts in 1990. Although, I have been told some of the higher end video cards (like, color ones that work on multiple monitors) from the II-IIx/IIcx era do work with Apple's own multiple scan displays, so I don't see why those wouldn't work with a modern LCD, even if you do need to trick it into the right resolution by using a fixed-mode adapter. Even on a modern computer, you can set the refresh output to 75Hz when you're using an LCD and it'll work fine. It's not "the correct refresh rate", but it will work. The other thing that's increasing in popularity in consumer displays is above-60Hz refresh rates, up to ~144. Any of these displays should have no trouble syncing at 75, and 67 will almost certainly work. Granted, analog input on its own is becoming less common on brand new displays. But, again, there is a HUGE stock of reasonable office computer monitors that have lots of known compatibility with not only vintage Macs but things like SGIs and Suns. The best thing any of us who has a little bit of room in our homes right now can do for the long-term future of machines like "every Mac between the Quadra 650 to the Beige G3, and relevant same-period video cards" is probably to hold onto a couple more LCDs than we're actually using.
  7. My point was that LCDs such as the plentiful Dell UltraSharp series are likely to be able to accept these different resolutions. Anything multisync-era (incl. the 24ac, most Quadras after the 700/900, the 24ac, all PowerPC Macs) are new enough that it should have no problem syncing down to 60Hz for any resolution they support, and in my experience using an ultrasharp with Sun equipment, they have no problems with non-native resolutions. (1152x900 is the Sun default resolution, for example.) Those MultiSync presenting machines and cards don't even need DIP switch adapters, a DB15-HD15 cable (such as the one used on the multiple scan 1705) or a regular VGA hd15 cable and a DB15 to HD15 adapter will work fine. I am using a Dell P1914, but this would apply to any UltraSharp 170xFP or 190xFP (and the newer WFP variations.) Monitors matching this general description are still being made by Dell and HP at the very least. For example, the updated version of the display I use https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/dell-19-monitor-p1917s/apd/210-aiij/monitors-monitor-accessories I don't think this is anywhere near as big a problem as you think it is. At absolute worst, all we have to do is be careful not to trash the entire stock of business midrange LCD computer monitors made in the past twenty years, and we'll be fine.
  8. It should work, but if your blue-and-white won't run OS9 for some reason, but it will run OS X, I suspect something else weird is going on. What happens when you try to boot 9.2.2? (Or, if you have another thread on that issue, please link to it, so we don't spread the effort across two threads.)
  9. To my knowledge, the only two modular Macs that can't output 60Hz VGA are the IIci and the IIsi, aside from, say, ultra-budget Mac II-era video cards. If it's not unreasonably difficult to find an LCD monitor that will just accept 67Hz, I don't see why you couldn't just use one of the normal fixed-mode adapters with the knob or switches to configure 640x480 and then be off. There is even a new run of them being sold on eBay by at least an australian seller. You probably could build, or find an off-the-shelf scan converter if your only option was some PC monitor from 1987 that can only accept, strictly, 640x480@60, but there's bound to be a better solution.
  10. Cory5412

    Quicktake 150 software

    It looks like you've got it working now, yay! Photoflash isn't strictly speaking needed for the quicktakes, because with that extension you can copy images directly from the camera and use another tool for viewing and organizing. I need to look at my 180, I don't recall whether or not I was using virtual memory, but I do have 14MB of memory installed in it. I did get the camera working on my 1400c/166 with 7.6.1, but I don't remember whether I've gotten it running on anything newer.
  11. Or: the version of the Pro Speakers with the cable long enough to be used with the Power Macintosh, and their grilles. Even though it's not an exact match, the 17" CRT ADC studio display would be a neat addition to a QS/QS'02 setup. The tray that lets you stack two hard disks would also be nice to have.
  12. That's a beautiful machine! Also, the S U P E R [circle] D R I V E graphic always threw me off, I don't think I realized it was an actual Apple thing, because it's not like they had one for C O M B O D R I V E and this is the second generation of machines to have superdrives. In general, we [collectively, as enthusiasts of vintage Macs who also like fast OS9 machines] know what all the fastest options are, and any given setup is really just going to be deciding about how ultimate is needed in any given situation, and what particular choices balance into building a particular machine. Any duallie G4 is generally better utilized as an OSX machine anyway.
  13. Cory5412

    ABD Keyboard and Mouse Options?

    The Classic/LC/CC were the first ADB Macs to bundle a keyboard. None of the Quadras did, none of the earlier Power Macintoshes did, and officially on paper, none of the Power Macintosh 7000 series did. (For all intents and purposes, we can count the 4400 and 6500 as Performas for this discussion.) The 8600 is the first high-end Mac that officially included a keyboard in the box with the machine. Unless Apple also packed ADKs in with 7300s and 7600s and 9600s and never updated the datasheets (A possibility, some of these machines sold for several years and Apple speedbumped things and did other things): it was with the third generation of PPC machines that a bundled became standard across the entire line. So, what I'm really asking above (and why I asked if it might have been an AEKII) was whether the dealer (Zones, it sounds like, in your case) included the keyboard as a value-add gimme inside a larger shipping box or as part of the order, or if it was actually in the box with the computer. I don't disbelieve you, I'm just interested because it's not what Apple's documentation and datasheets say. In the second-gen PowerPC era, it makes more sense for the 7000 machines to have bundled a keyboard than the 8000 ones to have done, and the 8500 itself doesn't have a keyboard listed either. I don't happen to have seen the 7300 datasheet.
  14. Cory5412

    ABD Keyboard and Mouse Options?

    Hm. Was it an ADK or AEKII? Was it in its own retail box or part of the accessories box for the rest of the system? I have seen keyboards listed on either the 7300 or 7600's datasheet, but also, catalog resellers value-adding a bundled keyboard wasn't at all uncommon. Curiously, the 8600 specifically lists a keyboard, and the 7600 doesn't. Given that the 8600 was a higher targeted machine with users that would be more likely to want to choose their own keyboard (On the 7200, Apple even says you might use it in a home office type environment, a segment really reserved for the 4400/6400.) Of course, regarding Apple and weird bundling: I've said the same thing about the 8600/9600 and Zip drives, too. I have no idea why Apple thought Zip was going to be a value-add for that market. People buying those machines routinely worked with files that exceeded 100 megs (Iomega and/or SyQuest, I forget which one, was advertising >1GB cartridge drives in like 1997), and weren't often exchanging collections of files over 1.44 megabytes with users of lower end home/soho machines where the bundling of Zip drives specifically (due to wide retail availability of the media in places like Walmart and Target) mattered.
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    ABD Keyboard and Mouse Options?

    I've never seen a solid discontinue date for the AKII , but if I had to hazard a guess, it was discontinued the literal instant the ADK was introduced. I don't thikn I've ever seen keyboard announcements in MacWorld, but I haven't been quite that far back in the PDF archive, myself. Apple very rarely engaged in good/better/best for its keyboards. Both the AK and AEK were good keyboards, but they had different features. The AKII and AEKII were, realistically, also arguably both good keyboards, but because Apple had shifted the Mac entry level downmarket a couple notches, they also arguably ahd different focuses. The Apple Adjustable Keyboard (AAK) was sold alongside the AK and AEK as an "ergonomic" option. Upon its introduction in 1994, the ADK would have become the new budget option.
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