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wisof Junior Member USA 257 Posts	Posted - 29 Jul 2003 : 20:32:26 I am sure many of us have more than one of these beauties (macs I mean). I mean, I began this 68k liberation only a few weeks ago and already I have 2 systems. I have read of people having 18 of these babies around. So (for those of us that do not have integrated monitors) what kind of kvm configurations do you guys/galls use out there? kvm meaning of course Keyboard, Video, and Mouse. I am only familiar with PC (ps/2?) KVMs. . .as I have more than one PC as well(bought the first . . .built the second!). I have seen some interesting products that convert ADB stuff to ps/2 for use in a switch. Whadday'all usin? _________________________ I have a problem with vintage electronics. . .I am working on it.
Christophillis Forums Squadron Commander USA 688 Posts	Posted - 29 Jul 2003 : 21:15:39 Well, at the moment my only (working) 68k is my little Duo 270c, and I'm not using any external mouse or keyboard, unless it is in the VCR. (Duo Dock) When it is docked I use an Apple Design Keyboard, and a Kensington Mouse in a box ADB. -------------------- Christophillis- Portable Squadren Commander 68k Macintosh Liberation Army Total 68k Macs Liberated: 6.02x10^23 Or just 6 Number One, you have the helm. I'll be in my ready room.
maclover5 LC Doctor/Hot Rodder Australia 5830 Posts	Posted - 29 Jul 2003 : 22:11:23 I don't have a KVM, but I have 2 keyboards and mice set up for my older Macs: AppleVision 1710AV + AppleDesign Keyboard + ADB Mouse II: Used with PM8100 and Quadra 700 Apple ColourPlus Display + AppleDesign Keyboard + ADB Mouse II: Used with LC630 and LCIII It works great. "**** em" - Jobs in regards to customers Warrior maclover5 68kMLA Official 68kMLA Detective Number of 68ks Liberated: 7 Number of Contraband (PPC) Liberated from the Dumpster: 1
Unknown_K Full Member USA 602 Posts	Posted - 30 Jul 2003 : 00:30:10 I need a 4 port kvm for my old macs. I seen a few manual ones on ebay. the ones I use for my PC's are electronic 4 port versions and work great. For my game pc's I use a Belkin soho 4 port ps2+usb kvm (even switches mic and sound) For my work pc's I use an old Belkin ps2 or serial kvm
wisof Junior Member USA 257 Posts	Posted - 31 Jul 2003 : 13:29:31 I am not all too convinced that adb + video kvm switches exist! the guy at the local mac store assured me that they do exitst, just that they have none. I just want to be able to use one apple monitor and one keyboard/mouse for 2 computers. . .or more. . .is that so wrong? So if anyone knows of something that has 3 ADB ports and 3 apple monitor ports (2 macs, one kvm) please post a link or something. It seems that it can be done rather expensively with a few different devices (maybe one for the monitor, one for the adb), but I am convinced that this is not the only solution. _________________________ I have a problem with vintage electronics. . .I am working on it. Edited by - wisof on 31 Jul 2003 13:31:12
wisof Junior Member USA 257 Posts	Posted - 31 Jul 2003 : 14:14:45 Found one at a local place called JB Saunders. Is $34.50 too much to pay for a A/B switch for ADB and monitor? I think it is, consodering the one I got for my pcs were much cheaper. . .but it was also a bit difficult to track down. . .hmm it'll definately be worth it not having to go behind my desk and physically switch monitor and adb. . . _________________________ I have a problem with vintage electronics. . .I am working on it. Edited by - wisof on 31 Jul 2003 14:15:30
Trash80toG-4 NIGHT STALKER USA 2899 Posts	Posted - 01 Aug 2003 : 10:31:34 topic.asp.TOPIC_ID=1599.html http://homepage.mac.com/jwt1863/.Pictures/HACKS/A-B-C-Dsm.jpg http://homepage.mac.com/jwt1863/.Pictures/HACKS/A-B-C-D.jpg http://homepage.mac.com/jwt1863/.Public/A-B-C-D.pdf jt �. Trash Hauler: call sign: eight-ball C.O. AC-130H SpecOps 68kMLAAF
Unknown_K Full Member USA 602 Posts	Posted - 01 Aug 2003 : 13:19:41 there used to bo some company (tomato something) that sold a cheap manual 3 port adb KVM and I cant find a link to it now, wanted to buy one. Anybody ever heard of them?
wisof Junior Member USA 257 Posts	Posted - 01 Aug 2003 : 13:59:50 After visiting the local shop and picking up the adb kvm, I returned home to try it all out. Nothing was right. I must say I did purchase it a bit hastilly because I wanted to work on it last night. Needless to say, I returned today and got my $$$ back. they did not have the Mini DIN 4 pin/DB15f a/b switch. but I found a source for 2-1 and 4-1 Data Switches. These incorporate both DB15F (monitor) and Mini DIN 4pin (keyboard). http://www.mycableshop.com/sku/DSS%2015M42.htm I picked up the 4-1 version and 2 male to male DB15 cords. thanks to the box of miscellaneous stuff, I got a handful of 4 pin male to males for free! http://www.mycableshop.com/sku/CX15M06-MI.htm By the way, Trash80toG-4, I read through your Brick Oven thread. . .amazing project! Any updates? (I admit I did not have time to read all of it, so if it is old stuff, I appologize) _________________________ I have a problem with vintage electronics. . .I am working on it.
Trash80toG-4 NIGHT STALKER USA 2899 Posts	Posted - 01 Aug 2003 : 14:16:22 http://www.ibuyernet.com/prod~id~124116~COMPUCABLE_MANUFACTURING_KVM-301-MAC.html It used to be about $50 at MacWarehouse, works great! I've never seen a less expensive one, but it's no longer on Compucable's site. jt �. Trash Hauler: call sign: eight-ball C.O. AC-130H SpecOps 68kMLAAF
wisof Junior Member USA 257 Posts	Posted - 01 Aug 2003 : 20:40:30 does that have db15 & miniDIN4pin (I might be getting actual abreviations wrong. . .) I just wanted an all in one solution. . .but i have no macs that are all in one. . .so I have to share a monitor if that has it all (monitor & keys), it looks like one beefy box! _________________________ I have a problem with vintage electronics. . .I am working on it.
mac-man6 Junior Member Canada 217 Posts	Posted - 01 Aug 2003 : 23:20:07 Has anyone tried a USB kvm with newer macs?. Of course this is relevant because somebody out there might create a USB for 68k hack.... It may happen... Editor of the printed word, Ministry of 68k Truths (mini6) ------------------ PowerCD, Mac HD 20, SE, Classic II, IIx, IIvi, PB 170, LC 475, LC 575, Quadra 650, Performa 5200, iMac 333 How you like d'em apples?!
Unknown_K Full Member USA 602 Posts	Posted - 01 Aug 2003 : 23:44:24 A computer needs PCI to be able to have USB (something to do with the chipset) so a 68k cant be connected to USB
wisof Junior Member USA 257 Posts	Posted - 21 Aug 2003 : 16:04:30 finally got my 4 way switch. It has db15 & miniDIN4pin. I haven't had an extensive amount of time to test it all out, but the video works for sure. I am having issues with the adb (keyboard/mouse port). For some reason when I have my systems going only one of them can use the keyboard/mouse, the rest are controlless. So I know that by plugging the adb cable into the i/o it gets to at least one computer, but not the rest. Any ideas? _____________________________________________ I have a problem with vintage electronics. . .I am working on it. Performa 630CD Centris 610 Quadra 950 Quadra 605 Giant 80mb SCSI HD
wisof Junior Member USA 257 Posts	Posted - 09 Sep 2003 : 08:58:02 So I have had a bit of time to test out the data switch. Here's the set up thus far on a 4 system data switch (hope my chart turns out!): \|----i/o-------\|D(Performa)--\|C (G3)-------\|B. ..A. . .empty \|--------------\|-------------\|-------------\|---------------- \|-Monitor IN-\| Monitor Out-\|-Monitor Out-\| \|-Keyboard IN\|-Keyboard Out\|-Keyboard Out\| awwwwcrap.. .not gonna site here ans ascii the hell out of that graph. . .so I/O: monitor In/heyboard In D (Performa 630): monitor out/keyboard out C (G3):monitor out/keyboard out B: empty A: empty this data switch has 3 ports per machine: 1 x DB-15 (monitor) 2 x 4-pin ADB Right now I am only using the DB-15 and one ADB for each machine. . . The video works fine. The keyboard/mouse control is what I am having issues with. The performa gets keyboard response, which leads me to believe that this could work, but the g3 does not, and it is not just the g3, I have set up 68ks into the configuration, all with similar results. Is ADB hot swappable? Maybe it is my cabling, but I am almost certain I ruled that out. . .any ideas? _____________________________________________ I have a problem with vintage electronics. . .I am working on it. Performa 630CD,Performa637CD,Centris 610,Quadra 630,Quadra 950,Quadra 605,SE,Giant 80mb SCSI HD,Giant 100mb SCSI HD Edited by - wisof on 09 Sep 2003 09:04:24 Edited by - wisof on 09 Sep 2003 09:05:11
Trash80toG-4 NIGHT STALKER USA 2899 Posts	Posted - 11 Sep 2003 : 13:03:07 quote: The video works fine. The keyboard/mouse control is what I am having issues with. The performa gets keyboard response, which leads me to believe that this could work, but the g3 does not, and it is not just the g3, I have set up 68ks into the configuration, all with similar results. Is ADB hot swappable? Maybe it is my cabling, but I am almost certain I ruled that out. . .any ideas? http://groups.yahoo.com/group/daw-mac/message/8939?source=1 I use ADB Reset, but I couldn't find a link. jt �. Trash Hauler: call sign: eight-ball C.O. AC-130H SpecOps 68kMLAAF edit: Make sure each Mac is selected on the KVM when it boots. According to the tech support of my KVM mfr., the problems I have stem from the different OS levels. That's why they sometimes loose track of the mouse settings when switching around between Macs. I keep an alias of ADB Reset on the desktop of each so I can run it from the keyboard if the mouse fails to respond. Edited by - Trash80toG-4 on 11 Sep 2003 13:08:37
wisof Junior Member USA 257 Posts	Posted - 16 Sep 2003 : 15:11:26 A few things to note. . .I am using a 4 port analog kvm. . .didn't have enough $$$ to go the electronic route. I did get ADB reset (I think. . .on a site I could not understand because of the asian characters. . .program seems to run), but it does me no good if I can't even use the keyboard to execute it so it resets. Keep on keeping on. For some reason the kvm is partial to my Performa 630. . .always works with that. . .hmmm _____________________________________________ I have a problem with vintage electronics. . .I am working on it. Performa 630CD,Performa637CD,Centris 610,Quadra 630,Quadra 950,Quadra 605,SE,Giant 80mb SCSI HD,Giant 100mb SCSI HD
Unknown_K Full Member USA 602 Posts	Posted - 29 Sep 2003 : 00:31:36 DR Bott 4 port ADB KVM w/ 4 Video cables NR! Item number: 2755018299 Just won this, hope it works good Edited by - Unknown_K on 29 Sep 2003 00:33:00
wisof Junior Member USA 257 Posts	Posted - 02 Oct 2003 : 07:09:44 unknown. . .does it all work??????!!!!!????? _____________________________________________ I have a problem with vintage electronics. . .I am working on it. Performa 630CD,Performa637CD,Centris 610,Quadra 630,Quadra 950,Quadra 605,SE,Giant 80mb SCSI HD,Giant 100mb SCSI HD
Unknown_K Full Member USA 602 Posts	Posted - 02 Oct 2003 : 09:53:18 It came in late yesterday, need some time to hook it all up. The unit and cables are in mint condition. Will let you know how it works
Unknown_K Full Member USA 602 Posts	Posted - 03 Oct 2003 : 06:14:30 The things works pretty good so far had 3 machines on it this morning pm8500 os 9.1 q840av os 7.6.1 IIfx os 7.1 connected to a panasonic 15" monitor the svga montor plugs into the unit without having to use an adapter (has both mac and pc connections for main monitor, mac connection for 4 systems). The video cables look shielded and are original dr bott cables (has name in the plastic) at 1024x768 I dont see a problem with ghosting so far. Will do more testing on a 17" monitor when I move the systems into the lab. I switch between the systems and only problem I seen so far was the pm8500 got a slightly slugish mouse after switching around (think there is a fix for this). Other problem is that the built in video on the 840av only lets me use 640x480 ( need a program to force video modes since I am using a non apple monitor). The other 2 units have aftermarket video cards ( pm8500 has ultimate rez, and the iifx has a supermac 8/24). You have to have the switch set to the machine your booting from to sense the video on bootup. Other then a few small issues it works as good as expected. From what I read on lowendmac.com this is the kvm to get for adb.
Trash80toG-4 NIGHT STALKER USA 2899 Posts	Posted - 03 Oct 2003 : 08:16:37 quote: . . . only problem I seen so far was the pm8500 got a slightly slugish mouse after switching around (think there is a fix for this). Run ADB Reset and it'll fix the problem whenever it crops up. jt �. Trash Hauler: call sign: eight-ball C.O. AC-130H SpecOps 68kMLAAF
Unknown_K Full Member USA 602 Posts	Posted - 03 Oct 2003 : 13:25:49 where do i find that util?
wisof Junior Member USA 257 Posts	Posted - 03 Oct 2003 : 14:04:49 yeah, the only place I found it was what seemed to be a website made in asia (characters). I was a bit wary downloading it, because I could not read what it said, but when I installed it it was all english. I just tried lookgin for the link. . .luckily I saved it. http://www.edit.ne.jp/~usa/macintosh/factory/adbreset.php. I take no responsability if anything happens when you download this. I downloaded it to a Centris 610, installed it, and nothing bad has happened. I have actually had no chance to see if it actually works. . .so this is totally at your own risk. . . _____________________________________________ I have a problem with vintage electronics. . .I am working on it. Performa 630CD,Performa637CD,Centris 610,Quadra 630,Quadra 950,Quadra 605,SE,Giant 80mb SCSI HD,Giant 100mb SCSI HD
cory5412 68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms USA 4679 Posts	Posted - 06 Oct 2003 : 11:04:07 is $60 ~ish USD a bad price for a 3 port ADB/mac KVM? I saw it in MacWarehouse catalog just the other day, I'll find a link or something tonight... Official 68k videographer Official MLA TourGuide Editor of the MLAgazine "I'm just a normal computer geek who somehow landed a social life"
Unknown_K Full Member USA 602 Posts	Posted - 06 Oct 2003 : 16:46:53 I got luck and paid $51 + 10 shipping for the DRBott one on ebay (including all cables). 3-Way KVM did it look like this one for $25 closeout? edit: embedded url to elimimate wide screen effect. Edited by - Trash80toG-4 on 06 Oct 2003 17:46:21
Trash80toG-4 NIGHT STALKER USA 2899 Posts	Posted - 06 Oct 2003 : 17:48:15 quote: 3-Way KVM did it look like this one for $25 closeout? That's the one I use and I LOVE it! jt �. Trash Hauler: call sign: eight-ball C.O. AC-130H SpecOps 68kMLAAF
Unknown_K Full Member USA 602 Posts	Posted - 06 Oct 2003 : 19:07:05 A 3 way kvm is ok, I wanted the 4 way. I assume cables for the one I linked to are extra. This makes the 3rd 4 way KVM I have in use 2 for pc and the one for mac.
cory5412 68KMLA Comrade-in-Arms USA 4679 Posts	Posted - 10 Oct 2003 : 09:26:26 you could get between 5 and 9 computers, by KVMing and KVM just imagine a stack of beigeyG3's running Jaguar Server, al what with the ADB KVMs and just one monitor running the show. Official 68k videographer Official MLA TourGuide Editor of the MLAgazine "I'm just a normal computer geek who somehow landed a social life"

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