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Trash80toG-4
NIGHT STALKER
USA
2899 Posts |
 Posted - 23 Oct 2002 : 07:47:02
This one was mentioned one of the sites posted in a link in the TCPA / Palladium thread. But it really deserves its own posting:http://www.vcnet.com/bms/departments/innovation.shtml jt  ™.
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Stryder
Junior Member
USA
382 Posts |
Posted - 23 Oct 2002 : 08:34:11
Cool find, Trash!!"One slip and down the hole we fall" Check out the new forum on the block at: http://www22.brinkster.com/originalstryder/db/ |
MrLynn
Junior Member
USA
394 Posts |
Posted - 23 Oct 2002 : 10:28:38
Bill Gates has always been a weasel, stealing other peoples' ideas, making money with them, and laughing all the way to the bank./Mr Lynn Curator of: SE (6.0.4), SE w. 020 accelerator (6.0.8), SE w. no HD, IIfx (7.1), IIci (bad HD); plus various PPCs in family (blue G3/350 is main Mac these days). |
Da Penguin
Senior Member
USA
1094 Posts |
Posted - 23 Oct 2002 : 11:11:06
At first I found it a funny little site, pointing at M$ and laughing.Then I realized that it really is true, and how scary that is. I can't imagine putting a lot of time, sometimes half your life's work, into a product that gets bought out by mordorsoft. That or they copy the idea and get all the fame.
I guess thats the ordeal you get with capatalistic society. ~The Penguin **| Want free 68kmla email? Drop me a line |**
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MrLynn
Junior Member
USA
394 Posts |
Posted - 23 Oct 2002 : 13:27:09
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guess thats the ordeal you get with capatalistic society.
You would prefer maybe the old Soviet Union? Before they collapsed they were still using vacuum tubes in their jet fighters. /Mr Lynn Curator of: SE (6.0.4), SE w. 020 accelerator (6.0.8), SE w. no HD, IIfx (7.1), IIci (bad HD); plus various PPCs in family (blue G3/350 is main Mac these days). |
cinemafia
Guerrilla Recon Leader
USA
2965 Posts |
Posted - 23 Oct 2002 : 13:32:02
Hey! Vacuum tubes rock!  666th poster and 666th thread-creator
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oldmacman
Full Member
USA
713 Posts |
Posted - 23 Oct 2002 : 13:38:38
Life without Hollow State is Chaos!Really, what's wrong with vacuum tubes? They work great in radios, hi-fi equipment, and guitar amps. Speaking of the USSR, they weren't much better than Micro$oft when it came to copying. Pretty much every computer produced over there was a copy of something the US or the Europeans had done years earlier. Official 68kMLA Music and NeXT Expert
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Da Penguin
Senior Member
USA
1094 Posts |
Posted - 23 Oct 2002 : 20:19:43
Oh I know it could be worse, its like one of those things that is horrible, but everything else is worse  (Ther eIS a quote out ther elike that, forget where...)And tubes are making a comeback, sort of. I just got done with my home theatre in my basement, and I learned a lot about the equipment i NEVER new before. In this instance that the VERY top of the line receivers have interchangable tubes in them. This way they achieve a sweeter and truer sound because they aren't a simple "On/Off" like today's electronics. Was very interesting, you get the tubes custom made to your sound specs. Costs like $700 a tube or something, It was out my reach and so I forget most of it. (I HATE how that happens!) ~The Penguin **| Want free 68kmla email? Drop me a line |**
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Trash80toG-4
NIGHT STALKER
USA
2899 Posts |
Posted - 23 Oct 2002 : 20:40:44
quote:
Speaking of the USSR, they weren't much better than Micro$oft when it came to copying.
Russian military hardware was not always copied from western designs, they came up with a little number called the T-34 which was the prototype for all modern tanks and their adoption and improvements upon German small arms that resulted in the AK-47/AKM and the RPG had NATO and the U.S. scrambling to catch up.Some of those tube equipped Russian combat aircraft led directly to the development of the F-16 and FA-18 when we got some very nasty surprises over North VietNam. The MIG's in the Korean War were clearly superior to our F-86's, we beat them with superior tactics, numbers, training and discipline, NOT technological prowess. jt ™.
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thelip
Full Member
USA
729 Posts |
Posted - 24 Oct 2002 : 08:58:43
.... *twitch* ........ *twitch* ..... .... so why are people using microsoft products?! I knew about the stuff in the article. But typically if somebody is going to steal/take anothers idea, the intent is to make it better. M$ destroys it. There's no hope in this world. Sometimes I feel like i'm in the movie the postman/waterworld (both long and suck). Mac users are the kevin costners and microsoft is sailing the oil tanker or smoking the cigarettes destroying everything "just because". Well, Tom Petty, get out of my way, i've got mail to deliver. It's war. _______________________
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mathgeek
Junior Member
USA
113 Posts |
Posted - 24 Oct 2002 : 12:58:51
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Russian military hardware was not always copied from western designs,
I'm sure we all remember a little thing known as "the bomb". After Openheimer and some other geniuses built a Uranium and Plutonium bomb, the Russians quickly copied them. A few years after, Teller and his crew built the H-bomb in response to the Russian rip-off of the earlier bombs. Well, the Russians once again stole the design and quickly built their own H-bomb. And they didn't even send a thank you note. mathgeek 68K Macs Liberated: LC, Performa 636, Mac Classic II
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Wonkothesane
Full Member
USA
506 Posts |
Posted - 24 Oct 2002 : 22:03:12
First of all, once we have monopolies like Micro$oft, we cease to have real capitilism. The open source/linux market iscapitalismin which there is real competition and innovation. That's the market that Adam Smith envisioned, in which real innovation occurs and benefits the consumer. Monopolies are like diseases to capitalism, destroying all progress.
Second, it's interesting that the Soviet Union was mentioned in this thread....it seems to me that corporations are emulating oppressive governments, buying out the US gov and passing laws like the DMCA, etc. that restrict our rights. I fear that one day corporations will be creating the 1984 nightmare, with the government as their puppet.
Does Bill Gates remind anyone else of Stalin?
Then again, it's 1 AM and I'm way too tired to think....
(BTW, the USSR used vacuum tubes because circuit boards are vurnerable to EMP atacks.)
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thelip
Full Member
USA
729 Posts |
Posted - 24 Oct 2002 : 22:07:25
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(oh, and thelip? Never, ever compare Mac users to Kevin Costner)
You're right, i take it back. I'll never do it again. Forgive me it was my first post of the day, Way too early.
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MrLynn
Junior Member
USA
394 Posts |
Posted - 25 Oct 2002 : 09:37:10
My impression was that the Soviets used tubes when the West had evolved micro-electronic devices because they were that far behind technologically. That vacuum tubes are less vulnerable to EMP than IC chips was an ancillary benefit.This is not to say that the aircraft were not capable, though post-MiG15 I don't recall hearing of any Soviet superiority over Western aircraft. The point is that capitalism stimulates innovation; socialism stifles it. Re Micro$oft: although a federal judge has declared them a 'monopoly', and they are certainly guilty of unethical and anti-competitive business practices, they are not a monopoly in the traditional sense. They don't control the entire supply of a commodity as, say, a utility company might. And in point of fact, there is competition in computer operating systems and office productivity software. Ten-fifteen years ago the dominant word processor was Word Perfect; the dominant spreadsheet was Lotus 1-2-3. People snickered at Word and Excel, and of course, made fun of Mac, with its silly mouse and screen pictures (it was just a 'toy'). Sure, M$ now dominates the market for OSs and office suites, but this is by no means written in stone. There are alternatives, the pace of technological change is rapid, and high-tech companies are vulnerable. What happened to Digital, Prime, Wang and other giants of the micro-computer era?
What happened to IBM's near-complete dominance in the early '80s? Re open source: I don't see how it can survive unless people can make money from it--except perhaps for standards creation. For a while it looked like desktop OSs were converging (System 7, Win95), and in principle it would make sense for there to be a common platform, just as we have standards for CDs and DVDs. /Mr Lynn Curator of: SE (6.0.4), SE w. 020 accelerator (6.0.8), SE w. no HD, IIfx (7.1), IIci (bad HD); plus various PPCs in family (blue G3/350 is main Mac these days). |
shaktiman
Senior Member
United Kingdom
1226 Posts |
Posted - 25 Oct 2002 : 10:21:34
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small arms that resulted in the AK-47/AKM and the RPG had NATO and the
U.S. scrambling to catch up.
what russia had better role playing games? now with my acid tounge I could alienate all of you, so some of my thoughts are censured. hows about that for freedom! quote:
The point is that capitalism stimulates innovation; socialism stifles it.
lol how young are you mrlynn? well if the above quote is true then it is probably true to say that all french wear onions & eat garlic, while cycling about in stripey shirts. logic hasn't brought the human race to the point that it's now at. different things work at different times. by rights we shouldn't be here, our mouths are a mistake(not all our teeth fit in) & you need to eat to survive. we are scrawny animals compared to other apes who would've had physical advantage over us. were naked for pity's sake how could we have survived? We adapted faster by using technology. We adapt(ie: we change our minds) every day. if democracy were the key then it wouldn't matter who was president cos it would allways work. I prefer UK/Germany secret swapping we have been at it for centuries. lol quote:
... *twitch* .... .... *twitch* ..... .... so why are people using microsoft products?!
Yes for me it is "a sad story" We had innovation(different makes of computer). Then the USA played it's trump card, lol. you are the bussiness capital of the world. so you sell your computers to bussinesses. bussinesses are not known for thier "caring/sharing" attitude. USA stifled freedom in this. It is a complicated issue, in that a mix of things happened. With the speed of technological advance in computers. Mostly bussineses were hooked & didn't want to train thier staff to use another system. We do not have, & we are most unlikley to have world wide peace and harmony. We are political animals by nature. shaktiman Quadra 840av, prettymuchmaxedout8xcd drive,3 monitors 15" & 14" & 14" os 8.1
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Trash80toG-4
NIGHT STALKER
USA
2899 Posts |
Posted - 25 Oct 2002 : 10:33:07
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My impression was that the Soviets used tubes when the West had evolved micro-electronic devices because they were that far behind technologically. That vacuum tubes are less vulnerable to EMP than IC chips was an ancillary benefit.This is not to say that the aircraft were not capable, though post-MiG15 I don't recall hearing of any Soviet superiority over Western aircraft.
I'm not sure impression is entirely correct, but that is only my own impression.The "obsolescent" but highly manoueverable MIG-19 was a particularly nasty opponent over North Viet Nam until the Phantom drivers learned to use its incredible thrust to weight ratio to counter the '19's dogfighting capability with vertical manouevers based on raw power vs. finesse. The shellacing that the Navy took while developing counter strategy and tactics led directly to the institution of the Top Gun program and the installation of guns on the (missiles only to that point) F-4's. As I understand the case from my reading on the subject, at any rate. jt ™.
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