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Uses and preferred system for a Classic

The Classic is not a new machine to me, as it was the first Mac I ever used, way back in ye year 1991. I thought of it even then as slow running MS Word 4, which my employer had installed on it, but still as a vast improvement on my own PC/XT running DOS and WordPerfect (though the latter was a fine program which ran fast and served me well enough at uni for three years).

A colleague had a Classic II in the office next to mine, and, believe it or not, that Classic II seemed blisteringly fast to us back then. Yes, a speedy CII, and so it was: Word 4 and System 6 do very nicely on even a 16MHz 68030.

The Classic in question was not mine but a workplace unit, and I did not have it in my office for more than 12 months, but my subsequent computer purchases have all been Macintosh.

Owing to a stroke of luck, I now find myself the owner/ custodian of three working Classics (two of which I shall probably pass on to others). I wonder if there is advice from others who know what this is all about (and most do not, never having been there themselves) concerning what system software is best to try on the model (I gather from another thread that the Classic, being archaic in its architecture, can run systems back to 3, 2 and even 1), and what might be some appropriate applications to install on it? Though I have many (too many) beige Macs, they date otherwise from c.1993 on, so I have very little experience of Compacts, and none whatever of anything before the Classic. In this world of early Macs I am but a newbie.

In short, how would I go about showing off this little machine rather than hobbling it with what would be, in effect, System 7 era bloatware? I want a hard drive, so the system software has to be capable of working from a hard drive, but beyond that I don't have fixed preferences.

 
I'd go with System 6; either 6.0.whatever that's in the ROM, or 6.0.8 off a hard disk. If you go the ROM route, you'll have a lean 6 and leave your entire HDD free for your apps. You will not have MultiFinder. Go with 6.0.8 off the HDD, you'll have a far more customizable, multitasking environment. You will have MultiFinder.

Extreme speed, or multitasking and more completeness. Your choice :)

 
A Classic running System 1? I've never owned a Classic, but my common sense tells me it wouldn't work, as the ROM in it would have departed quite a bit from the original 64k ROMs. Try though, you never know...

 
A Classic running System 1? I've never owned a Classic, but my common sense tells me it wouldn't work, as the ROM in it would have departed quite a bit from the original 64k ROMs. Try though, you never know...
It works; I run System 1 on my Classic from time to time for the helluvit :)

 
A Classic running System 1? I've never owned a Classic, but my common sense tells me it wouldn't work, as the ROM in it would have departed quite a bit from the original 64k ROMs. Try though, you never know...
It works; I run System 1 on my Classic from time to time for the helluvit :)
I wonder if System 6 would work on my Quadra 660av... :p

 
A Classic running System 1? I've never owned a Classic, but my common sense tells me it wouldn't work, as the ROM in it would have departed quite a bit from the original 64k ROMs. Try though, you never know...
Nope, as long as there's a 68000 microprocessor and it's a compact Mac, then the machine can run the oldest systems.

I run my Classic with System 7.1 so I get networking abilities.

 
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It works; I run System 1 on my Classic from time to time for the helluvit :)
Run earlier versions than System 6 for entertainment but don't access the hard disk. Systems and apps that use MFS will occasionally clobber the hard disk, so get used to running Norton or similar to fix the file system.

System 7.1 is nice to have around, even for a Classic. It is the best OS to run non-System 6 apps and can be cut down in size so that it doesn't use too much RAM. Yank out fonts and extensions that you don't use, and install some useful ones like Extensions Manager and Menu Clock.

 
Nope, as long as there's a 68000 microprocessor, then the machine can run the oldest systems.
Not quite. A PowerBook 100 cannot run anything older than System 6.0.8L
You forgot about 6.0.7.1J, which I assume works on the 100 as well, though it requires a hack.

However, even Apple officially says the PowerBook 100 should run US System 6.0.7 with limited support and since it is basically the Portable, it should run 6.0.4 with similar limitations to newly introduced hardware on the 100. My memory is a bit foggy, but I believe I did this back to at least 6.0.5 and only noticed an inability to control the backlight or contrast.

 
Nope, as long as there's a 68000 microprocessor, then the machine can run the oldest systems.
Not quite. A PowerBook 100 cannot run anything older than System 6.0.8L
You forgot about 6.0.7.1J, which I assume works on the 100 as well, though it requires a hack.

However, even Apple officially says the PowerBook 100 should run US System 6.0.7 with limited support and since it is basically the Portable, it should run 6.0.4 with similar limitations to newly introduced hardware on the 100. My memory is a bit foggy, but I believe I did this back to at least 6.0.5 and only noticed an inability to control the backlight or contrast.
What speed difference is there between, say, 6.0.8 and 6.0.5? I run 6.0.8 on my Plus.

 
I doubt that you would notice any speed difference. My Plus shipped with 6.0.3 (maybe 6.0.2), and upgrading it to 6.0.8 didn't do anything dramatic.

 
I run System 6 on the only Classic I still have set up and use it for various minor tasks. I keep it in the kitchen area of my basement (which used to be a counter devoted just to Macs before I redid things last month) and use it for word processing, recipes, and an occasional spreadsheet. My software of choice is ClarisWorks 3, which runs fine on System 6 and the Classic.

 
Well, I took the best case, the one that had no crt, removed the innards, washed up the plastics, installed the guts of the Classic with the worst of the cases, popped in a quiet 250MB drive and the ram upgrade, cleaned up the fan intake, and now have myself a nearly pristine Classic, running quietly and working perfectly top to toe.

System 6.0.8 was the final choice, with WriteNow 4.0.2 (first time using - it really is fast), ClarisWorks 2.1, and Filemaker 2; then too some games: Dark Castle, Shufflepuck, and Loderunner, which I found here and there.

I am not and never have been much of a gamer, but Dark Castle in particular looks like the sort of thing that might make the children actually turn on the little toaster and use it. Are there other early, B&W, and System 6-compatible games similar to this for Compacts, involving adventure/ puzzle/ maze-like fun? A lot of those I see on abandonware sites seem to require colour and system 7.

 
popped in a quiet 250MB drive and the ram upgrade, cleaned up the fan intake, and now have myself a nearly pristine Classic, running quietly and working perfectly top to toe.
While I'm sure it's running as quietly as possible for a Classic, it's still too noisy for me. That's why I mainly use laptops.

But, something to consider: in discussing a fanless SE, I would think removing the fan altogether on the Classic would be even more practical. The PSU is the most robust of all the compacts so it can take some added heat and uses a lower power logicboard. Unlike the SE, the Classic has a vent in the handle, producing some natural convection out of the top. Most of the hottest components are located lower in the case and closer to the larger rear vent, not to mention more vents on the bottom to encourage cool air intake and natural convection. The 250MB hard drive would have to come out, but you could eventually put an even larger flash drive in there. Frankly, I would prefer a quiet external Zip drive since running 6.0.8, 250 MB gets filled up with goodies pretty fast. With a Zip, you can have dedicated 100 MB hard drives, which can be set to spin down when not in use. Alternatively, PowerBook SCSI drives produce much less heat than a desktop model. 3.5 to 2.5 converters are relatively easy to come by and such a drive might produce an acceptable level of heat, however it's still going to produce more noise than a ZIP or a flash alternative.

I would be interested in what the temperature difference is between a stripped fanless and one with a hard drive and a fan. Let us know if you feel like experimenting.

 
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